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Notably, Matt will still personally control what is and isn't allowed to be contributed to WordPress Core. Otherwise, the very first commit should be removing

by mthoms 2y ago

Notably, Matt will still personally control what is and isn't allowed to be contributed to WordPress Core. Otherwise, the very first commit should be removing all the personally identifiable information and other telemetry sent back to Matt's personal website (WordPress.org) and WooCommerce.com that isn't properly documented anywhere. [0][1] At the very least, there should be code changes facilitating informed consent. Of course, even though that is in the best interest of WordPress users, Matt Mullenweg won't let that happen. Because, money. [0] https://duanestorey.com/posts/down-the-rabbit-hole-a-deep-look-at-the-wordpress-api https://duanestorey.com/posts/down-the-rabbit-hole-a-deep-lo... [1] https://x.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374 https://x.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374

keikobadthebad 2y ago
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- mthoms 2y ago
  Frankly, I don't know where you got the idea that someone is being asked to "blow money" from my comment. Removing the telemetry code would be dead simple. I'd be delighted to do it. The actual problem is with getting them to accept the code changes. But I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
  - keikobadthebad 2y ago
    The guy is refusing to spend money on what you think is in "the [best] interests of wordpress users", presumably that is what you think is in your interests, and you're complaining about that. It's a gpl project, if the people complaining about how it is maintained care, they are granted the right to step up and do something about it. For example fork it, either wholesale or a light version with things you don't like stripped. Collectively, users have these rights. I don't think they have any right to expect the guys doing to work to do it for them, or even give the time of day to some leech-only "community" that shows no gratitude or useful contribution, just demands and entitlement, and doing as much as possible to blacken the name of the guy producing the work they are relying on.
    - mthoms 2y ago
      Again, your comment makes no sense as a reply to mine. Money has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting. I would happily make the code changes myself. It wouldn't cost anyone a single cent. Zero. I get the impression you don't understand how open source contributions work because you keep talking about "spending money" as if it's a relevant counterpoint. It isn't. When you reply, try to focus on the point actually being made: that Automattic will not accept certain code contributions, no matter how much better they make WordPress for its users.
      - keikobadthebad 2y ago
        Bro, you did read the article you are commenting on, right?
aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
Adding an xcancel link for people who don’t have Twitter: https://xcancel.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374 https://xcancel.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374 The fact that they snoop on your revenue is pretty outrageous.
max_k 2y ago
> Otherwise, the very first commit should be removing all the personally identifiable information and other telemetry sent back to Matt's personal website This is one of the things I removed in our WordPress fork. I found it horrifying to learn that an open source software does such a user-hostile thing, and wondered why nobody but me objects.

by mthoms 2y ago

keikobadthebad 2y ago

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mthoms 2y ago
Frankly, I don't know where you got the idea that someone is being asked to "blow money" from my comment. Removing the telemetry code would be dead simple. I'd be delighted to do it. The actual problem is with getting them to accept the code changes. But I thought that was obvious. I guess not.
- keikobadthebad 2y ago
  The guy is refusing to spend money on what you think is in "the [best] interests of wordpress users", presumably that is what you think is in your interests, and you're complaining about that. It's a gpl project, if the people complaining about how it is maintained care, they are granted the right to step up and do something about it. For example fork it, either wholesale or a light version with things you don't like stripped. Collectively, users have these rights. I don't think they have any right to expect the guys doing to work to do it for them, or even give the time of day to some leech-only "community" that shows no gratitude or useful contribution, just demands and entitlement, and doing as much as possible to blacken the name of the guy producing the work they are relying on.
  - mthoms 2y ago
    Again, your comment makes no sense as a reply to mine. Money has nothing to do with what I'm suggesting. I would happily make the code changes myself. It wouldn't cost anyone a single cent. Zero. I get the impression you don't understand how open source contributions work because you keep talking about "spending money" as if it's a relevant counterpoint. It isn't. When you reply, try to focus on the point actually being made: that Automattic will not accept certain code contributions, no matter how much better they make WordPress for its users.
    - keikobadthebad 2y ago
      Bro, you did read the article you are commenting on, right?

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago

Adding an xcancel link for people who don’t have Twitter: https://xcancel.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374 https://xcancel.com/SybreWaaijer/status/1875230654054752374 The fact that they snoop on your revenue is pretty outrageous.

max_k 2y ago

> Otherwise, the very first commit should be removing all the personally identifiable information and other telemetry sent back to Matt's personal website This is one of the things I removed in our WordPress fork. I found it horrifying to learn that an open source software does such a user-hostile thing, and wondered why nobody but me objects.