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> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos

by thih9 2y ago

> Nvidia wouldn’t say where this training data came from, but at least one report — and lawsuit — alleges that the company trained on copyrighted YouTube videos without permission. Under the EU's AI act[1] there is now a legal obligation to disclose the source of the training data. Is this correct then that either the models cannot be used in the EU, or we'll get to know where the training data came from? [1]: https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/en/procedure-file?reference=2021/0106(COD) https://oeil.secure.europarl.europa.eu/oeil/en/procedure-fil... - "General-purpose AI systems, and the GPAI models such as ChatGPT they are based on, must meet certain transparency requirements including compliance with EU copyright law and publishing detailed summaries of the content used for training."

betimsl 2y ago
No problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.
- dns_snek 2y ago
  > This Regulation applies to: > (a) providers placing on the market or putting into service AI systems or placing on the market general-purpose AI models in the Union, irrespective of whether those providers are established or located within the Union or in a third country;
- redeux 2y ago
  That would not work. It's the company who's responsible for compliance with EU laws and regulations in this case, not the user. So, if the company allows EU users they are de facto operating in the EU and thus out of compliance with the training data transparency law cited above.
  - deleted 2y ago
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prosunpraiser 2y ago
Unfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.
- esperent 2y ago
  People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.
  - mewpmewp2 2y ago
    I am from EU and we have been getting a lot of things much later and having to use VPNs to get past this. Sometimes even a VPN is not enough since we need US phone number etc. Couldn't get access to Claude and OpenAI advanced voice mode for a long time. It feels very frustrating since others can already start building with cutting edge things, giving them a huge advantage.
    - Sharlin 2y ago
      Yes, unfortunately in this world not being "ethically constrained" can give you a big advantage. Still doesn't mean one should not strive to do the right thing.
      - weird-eye-issue 2y ago
        It is subjective.
      - elif 2y ago
        If your ethics is innately tied to the nuance of fringe intellectual property law in a brand new domain, it may be time to relax some things That is to say, a lax perspective of intellectual property law can be less or more ethical than one which supports the undeterred corporate collation of powers behind those laws. Those in control do not have a monopoly on ethical goodness.
        meowface 2y ago

by thih9 2y ago

betimsl 2y ago

No problem. If you are in EU, you upload your input to a server located in US, that way EU law can watch you do that.

dns_snek 2y ago
> This Regulation applies to: > (a) providers placing on the market or putting into service AI systems or placing on the market general-purpose AI models in the Union, irrespective of whether those providers are established or located within the Union or in a third country;
redeux 2y ago
That would not work. It's the company who's responsible for compliance with EU laws and regulations in this case, not the user. So, if the company allows EU users they are de facto operating in the EU and thus out of compliance with the training data transparency law cited above.
- deleted 2y ago
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prosunpraiser 2y ago

Unfortunately the solution is quite simple - don’t release in EU.

esperent 2y ago
People keep saying this, but I've yet to see a company follow through.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  I am from EU and we have been getting a lot of things much later and having to use VPNs to get past this. Sometimes even a VPN is not enough since we need US phone number etc. Couldn't get access to Claude and OpenAI advanced voice mode for a long time. It feels very frustrating since others can already start building with cutting edge things, giving them a huge advantage.
  - Sharlin 2y ago
    Yes, unfortunately in this world not being "ethically constrained" can give you a big advantage. Still doesn't mean one should not strive to do the right thing.
    - weird-eye-issue 2y ago
      It is subjective.
    - elif 2y ago
      If your ethics is innately tied to the nuance of fringe intellectual property law in a brand new domain, it may be time to relax some things That is to say, a lax perspective of intellectual property law can be less or more ethical than one which supports the undeterred corporate collation of powers behind those laws. Those in control do not have a monopoly on ethical goodness.
      - meowface 2y ago