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You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article

by diggan 2y ago

You're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.

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kasey_junk 2y ago
Raving has been around for 50 years, you’d think a paper could describe it correctly if not know the ins and outs of the current scene.
p00dles 2y ago
Well said. I like to imagine some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe, peering over his reading glasses while egg drips off of his toast onto his pleated houndstooth trousers.
- dagw 2y ago
  some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe Where do you think the people going to those raves in the early 90s ended up? As old guys who now have well paid corporate jobs in the city and read FT. That guy could probably bore the crap out of today's youth with stories about how raves and music used to "authentic" and how everything today is crap.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    I neither raved nor got a good job. Looks like I'm the schmuck in the middle that worked hard and then didn't get rewarded.
    - diggan 2y ago
      You should have gone for "Work nothing, play a lot" instead of the typical one.
    - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
      Same. Not rich enough to retire early, just rich enough that I can't afford to take any risks on anything.
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  Pete and Bas Stepped Into the Building! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU
BSDobelix 2y ago
>or knowing about the underground scene? Well, yes, it's just another kind of "underground scene", you know, the ones on private islands.
jjk166 2y ago
I'd expect them to not write a piece about something with which they have no familiarity and that their target audience has no particular interest in.
- dagw 2y ago
  Did you read the article? It's mostly about the business of running nightclubs and organising music events. Something that falls cleanly with the interest of the FT and its readers. The headline is just some SEO optimised clickbait to get traffic. Plus, as I mentioned elsewhere. A non-trivial number of today's FT readers are the same people that were at those original raves in the early 90s.
  - jjk166 2y ago
    I did read the article because I was interested in the decline of raves. I unfortunately found an article on something different. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they wanted to draw traffic that would be interested in the article, and thus the mixup was an accident due to not understanding the difference between a nightclub and a rave, though that does call into severe question their knowledge on nightclubs. Alternatively it is possible they knew full well they were trying to get people who were not interested in nightclubs to click on their link, in which case they succeeded. Either way, my point stands.
specproc 2y ago
The FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0] Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage. [^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c283bb https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b425d8 https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42..., but there's loads.
- petecooper 2y ago
  >I read [The Financial Times] mostly for their drum and bass coverage. Brilliant. I love this on 174 different levels.
  - bonestamp2 2y ago
    Agreed, and the same way I love reading this thread on HN. :)
- keybored 2y ago
  Some people think highly of the FT. https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab...
- monadINtop 2y ago
  Yeah I'm pretty sure the Financial Times editorial board would probably enjoy sending me to an internment camp for ideological reasons but I find their coverage is great when you ignore the slant, which is obvious and tends not to obscure the actual reporting like other papers.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
From what I’ve gathered, nowadays, “raving” refers to all legal parties that are posted on RA as well. The biggest difference is, younger people associate specific venues/music as “rave”s, where mainstream music isn’t played, and people are more likely to party in the brains. It’s just the definition has shifted since the 2000s. I wouldn’t discredit FT writers as well, as I’m assuming they’re writing for a specific audience.
- hparadiz 2y ago
  I still consider a legal warehouse party to be a rave. Depends on crowd, music, and vibe.
seydor 2y ago
I would assume their current writers have been to raves

by diggan 2y ago

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kasey_junk 2y ago

Raving has been around for 50 years, you’d think a paper could describe it correctly if not know the ins and outs of the current scene.

p00dles 2y ago

Well said. I like to imagine some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe, peering over his reading glasses while egg drips off of his toast onto his pleated houndstooth trousers.

dagw 2y ago
some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe Where do you think the people going to those raves in the early 90s ended up? As old guys who now have well paid corporate jobs in the city and read FT. That guy could probably bore the crap out of today's youth with stories about how raves and music used to "authentic" and how everything today is crap.
- giantg2 2y ago
  I neither raved nor got a good job. Looks like I'm the schmuck in the middle that worked hard and then didn't get rewarded.
  - diggan 2y ago
    You should have gone for "Work nothing, play a lot" instead of the typical one.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    Same. Not rich enough to retire early, just rich enough that I can't afford to take any risks on anything.
DonHopkins 2y ago
Pete and Bas Stepped Into the Building! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU

BSDobelix 2y ago

>or knowing about the underground scene? Well, yes, it's just another kind of "underground scene", you know, the ones on private islands.

jjk166 2y ago

I'd expect them to not write a piece about something with which they have no familiarity and that their target audience has no particular interest in.

dagw 2y ago
Did you read the article? It's mostly about the business of running nightclubs and organising music events. Something that falls cleanly with the interest of the FT and its readers. The headline is just some SEO optimised clickbait to get traffic. Plus, as I mentioned elsewhere. A non-trivial number of today's FT readers are the same people that were at those original raves in the early 90s.
- jjk166 2y ago
  I did read the article because I was interested in the decline of raves. I unfortunately found an article on something different. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they wanted to draw traffic that would be interested in the article, and thus the mixup was an accident due to not understanding the difference between a nightclub and a rave, though that does call into severe question their knowledge on nightclubs. Alternatively it is possible they knew full well they were trying to get people who were not interested in nightclubs to click on their link, in which case they succeeded. Either way, my point stands.

specproc 2y ago

The FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0] Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage. [^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c283bb https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b425d8 https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42..., but there's loads.

petecooper 2y ago
>I read [The Financial Times] mostly for their drum and bass coverage. Brilliant. I love this on 174 different levels.
- bonestamp2 2y ago
  Agreed, and the same way I love reading this thread on HN. :)
keybored 2y ago
Some people think highly of the FT. https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab...
monadINtop 2y ago
Yeah I'm pretty sure the Financial Times editorial board would probably enjoy sending me to an internment camp for ideological reasons but I find their coverage is great when you ignore the slant, which is obvious and tends not to obscure the actual reporting like other papers.

tokioyoyo 2y ago

From what I’ve gathered, nowadays, “raving” refers to all legal parties that are posted on RA as well. The biggest difference is, younger people associate specific venues/music as “rave”s, where mainstream music isn’t played, and people are more likely to party in the brains. It’s just the definition has shifted since the 2000s. I wouldn’t discredit FT writers as well, as I’m assuming they’re writing for a specific audience.

hparadiz 2y ago
I still consider a legal warehouse party to be a rave. Depends on crowd, music, and vibe.

seydor 2y ago

I would assume their current writers have been to raves