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> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on li
by SheinhardtWigCo 2y ago
> The proportion of club nights running beyond 3am fell in 12 of 15 global cities between 2014 and 2024, according to a Financial Times analysis of events on listings website Resident Advisor.
Club nights are not raves. Raves are (usually) not posted on RA. The underground scene is doing just fine.
- saberience 2y agoThe definition of "rave" is in question here, what it means depends on what country you're from, and even in given countries the idea of "rave" means different things to different people. For me it means people dancing to electronic music and most likely taking drugs too. It can mean raving in a club or a festival or on the beach in Thailand or in a forest in the UK or in a warehouse in Brooklyn, if there's electronic dance music and drugs, then it's a rave. Here is what Claude says: "A rave is a large dance party or festival typically featuring electronic dance music (EDM), characterized by: Extended duration - often running late into the night or through early morning hours Electronic music - featuring DJs playing various genres like house, techno, trance, and drum & bass Distinctive atmosphere - using elements like elaborate light shows, lasers, fog machines, and visual projections Communal experience - bringing together large groups of people dancing in a shared space"
- diggan 2y agoYou're right, but on the other hand, are we really expecting "Financial Times" get even get "raving" right, or knowing about the underground scene? The article seems to be written for people who reads a newspaper with their breakfast, not for people who had yet to gone asleep while that person reads their paper.
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- kasey_junk 2y agoRaving has been around for 50 years, you’d think a paper could describe it correctly if not know the ins and outs of the current scene.
- p00dles 2y agoWell said. I like to imagine some old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe, peering over his reading glasses while egg drips off of his toast onto his pleated houndstooth trousers.
- dagw 2y agosome old guy holding the pink FT pages in a London cafe Where do you think the people going to those raves in the early 90s ended up? As old guys who now have well paid corporate jobs in the city and read FT. That guy could probably bore the crap out of today's youth with stories about how raves and music used to "authentic" and how everything today is crap.
- giantg2 2y agoI neither raved nor got a good job. Looks like I'm the schmuck in the middle that worked hard and then didn't get rewarded.
- diggan 2y agoYou should have gone for "Work nothing, play a lot" instead of the typical one.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoSame. Not rich enough to retire early, just rich enough that I can't afford to take any risks on anything.
- DonHopkins 2y agoPete and Bas Stepped Into the Building! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBuTTz1-IQU
- BSDobelix 2y ago>or knowing about the underground scene? Well, yes, it's just another kind of "underground scene", you know, the ones on private islands.
- jjk166 2y agoI'd expect them to not write a piece about something with which they have no familiarity and that their target audience has no particular interest in.
- dagw 2y agoDid you read the article? It's mostly about the business of running nightclubs and organising music events. Something that falls cleanly with the interest of the FT and its readers. The headline is just some SEO optimised clickbait to get traffic. Plus, as I mentioned elsewhere. A non-trivial number of today's FT readers are the same people that were at those original raves in the early 90s.
- jjk166 2y agoI did read the article because I was interested in the decline of raves. I unfortunately found an article on something different. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they wanted to draw traffic that would be interested in the article, and thus the mixup was an accident due to not understanding the difference between a nightclub and a rave, though that does call into severe question their knowledge on nightclubs. Alternatively it is possible they knew full well they were trying to get people who were not interested in nightclubs to click on their link, in which case they succeeded. Either way, my point stands.
- specproc 2y agoThe FT is actually entertainingly into this sort of stuff.[0] Honestly my favourite news outlet these days, despite my being well to the left of their editorial staff. I read it mostly for their drum and bass coverage. [^0] See https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c283bb https://www.ft.com/content/7796593c-08ac-485c-afe9-a45ac2c28... or https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b425d8 https://www.ft.com/content/084bab07-c5cf-4b25-ba7d-769af6b42..., but there's loads.
- petecooper 2y ago>I read [The Financial Times] mostly for their drum and bass coverage. Brilliant. I love this on 174 different levels.
- bonestamp2 2y agoAgreed, and the same way I love reading this thread on HN. :)
- keybored 2y agoSome people think highly of the FT. https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab7de https://www.ft.com/content/09f792fc-5548-11e4-89e8-00144feab...
- monadINtop 2y agoYeah I'm pretty sure the Financial Times editorial board would probably enjoy sending me to an internment camp for ideological reasons but I find their coverage is great when you ignore the slant, which is obvious and tends not to obscure the actual reporting like other papers.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoFrom what I’ve gathered, nowadays, “raving” refers to all legal parties that are posted on RA as well. The biggest difference is, younger people associate specific venues/music as “rave”s, where mainstream music isn’t played, and people are more likely to party in the brains. It’s just the definition has shifted since the 2000s. I wouldn’t discredit FT writers as well, as I’m assuming they’re writing for a specific audience.
- hparadiz 2y agoI still consider a legal warehouse party to be a rave. Depends on crowd, music, and vibe.
- seydor 2y agoI would assume their current writers have been to raves
- Mashimo 2y ago"Rave" now days is somewhat ambiguous. If anyone uses it you can't be sure what they mean. It changed in the last 20'ish years.
- Kiro 2y agoYes, but the decline is real in the underground scene as well.
- monocasa 2y agoAt least near me I've seen a resurgence the last couple years.
- 9rx 2y agoThe so-called dead cat bounce is oft seen in a decline.
- monocasa 2y agoIt doesn't feel like that. More that people had a slight preference for above board shows, but with increasing prices, low trust environments from general popularity, and staff that treats you like cattle, more people looking for and enjoying more underground events. It's sort of like the pressures that lead people to pirate versus streaming service.
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- jprete 2y agoI'm not in the club or rave scene - practically the opposite - but it astounds me that the FT thought they could draw useful conclusions about an underground scene by analyzing publicly-posted events on a site named Resident Advisor.
- ZeWaka 2y agoTo be fair, RA is /the/ place to post more organized events. Even my local underground spot posts there. (Yes, it's underground, ~20 people show up to the small shows)
- in-pursuit 2y agoI assert this without evidence, but I would highly suspect club attendance numbers and rave attendance numbers to be strongly correlated.
- carlmr 2y agoStrong negative correlation? Can't attend both events, and most people only have the weekend to attend max one event.
- iamthirsty 2y agoYou should come to Miami. Some people start the night at a normal club, go to a rave at Factory town, and meet the sunrise at Space, all in one night.
- dagw 2y agoHow many of the people doing that are locals doing it as a regular thing, vs tourists doing it as a one off experience? The core argument in the article is that the younger generation aren't going to their local clubs regularly enough to keep them afloat, preferring going to do much fewer and more 'special' events. The places that can survive are those that either bring in lots of tourists and/or focus larger one off events that can pull in a really large crowd.
- iamthirsty 2y agoAs a local, most of it is actual locals, often bringing out of town friends, but the core is always locals.
- ElevenLathe 2y agoMaybe on a particular night, but on any longer timescale: how does one make friends who will tell you about the cool underground scene without first meeting them in the aboveground club scene? Maybe online stuff plays this purpose now but I assume its still mostly the former.