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I was seeing this on the front page of HN mere moments ago and now it’s gone.

by tyleo 2y ago

dang 2y ago
That's what happens when upvotes put a story on the front page and then user flags take it off the front page. This is standard stuff. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 and the other links there.
- DoctorOetker 2y ago
  Just out of curiosity if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? I recall multiple HN Epstein discussions that didn't get flagged (in the sense of Net Flagged status assignment by HN, not talking about individual acts of individual flagging) It would really help the discourse if HN used separate terms for the button for users to individually cast a flag, and the [flagged] marking by HN: a suggestion would be to give the latter a different word like [perverse], as the literal meaning of perverse come from Latin "per" (away) "vertere" (to turn), i.e. "turned away" or "to turn a blind eye" as one would say in English. That would seem more apt as it describes what is done, and allows HN commenters to talk about the difference between individual acts of users pressing the "flag" button versus HN mapping that to an attention modulating action. For example discussions about the method of mapping upvotes, views, flaggings, and their relative timing distributions, onto the either "attended" or "perverse" status.
  - dang 2y ago
    I'm afraid I don't understand that second part of your comment - it's not clear to me what distinction you're wanting to appear in the UI. But I can answer this part: > if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? It's because most of the flags only happen later. Upvotes get a post onto the frontpage, then other users see it on the frontpage and think "wtf? that doesn't belong on HN" and flag it. This is especially common with sensational or outrageous stories, since those qualities inevitably attract upvotes—but then later they attract flags. You can think of flags as a bit like an immune system in that sense.
joseppudev 2y ago
This is democracy and freedom we get these days. and yup... the thread is gone.
- dang 2y ago
  There's nothing new in the HN community functioning this way. In fact, it's because the HN community functions this way that the site exists at all; otherwise it would have long ago turned into just another current affairs or celebrity gossip page.
  - joseppudev 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - dang 2y ago
      I downvoted a few of them, and so did lots of other users—correctly so, as your comments (not just in this thread) have often been unsubstantive and/or flamebait. Can you please not post like that? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - joseppudev 2y ago
        [flagged]
    - spockswrench 2y ago
      I upvoted your comment, but my upvotes are censored so sadly it didn't impact your score. This site is completely a propaganda arm for YC and their interests. The mod even admitted that "the algorithm" doesn't allow my upvotes to show: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639821
      - joseppudev 2y ago
4oo4 2y ago
Unlike other stories critical of Sam Altman, it's very suspicious the way this is so quickly and systematically downvoted and flagged every single time it's posted. This happened the last time this was posted too. Sam Altman deserves the right to defend himself in court as does Ann to tell her story (who personally I believe). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 The good news is that with the lawsuit it will be in the news more and much harder to silence, maybe at some point we can have a proper discussion about it on HN without people (or more likely bots) trying to memoryhole it every single time.
- leotravis10 2y ago
  Amen, hopefully someday we can get a proper civil discussion on this. Shame on the HN mods and higher ups really for trying to censor this.
  - dang 2y ago
    The mods haven't done anything. This story is being flagged by users and, after looking at the data, I believe it's a genuine community response. (Edit: here's comment I just ran across, which expresses some of this response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42638174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42638174). More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42632335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42632335
    - spockswrench 2y ago
      You have a vested interest to protect Sam Altman and sure enough this story is not allowed on the front page. This site has many forms of censorship built in, yet you always act with plausible deniability, blaming "the users" or worse yet "the algorithm" (as if that's not fully in your control). I hope you know that most people aren't buying it.
      - 2y ago

I was seeing this on the front page of HN mere moments ago and now it’s gone.

by tyleo 2y ago

I was seeing this on the front page of HN mere moments ago and now it’s gone.

dang 2y ago

That's what happens when upvotes put a story on the front page and then user flags take it off the front page. This is standard stuff. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 and the other links there.

DoctorOetker 2y ago
Just out of curiosity if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? I recall multiple HN Epstein discussions that didn't get flagged (in the sense of Net Flagged status assignment by HN, not talking about individual acts of individual flagging) It would really help the discourse if HN used separate terms for the button for users to individually cast a flag, and the [flagged] marking by HN: a suggestion would be to give the latter a different word like [perverse], as the literal meaning of perverse come from Latin "per" (away) "vertere" (to turn), i.e. "turned away" or "to turn a blind eye" as one would say in English. That would seem more apt as it describes what is done, and allows HN commenters to talk about the difference between individual acts of users pressing the "flag" button versus HN mapping that to an attention modulating action. For example discussions about the method of mapping upvotes, views, flaggings, and their relative timing distributions, onto the either "attended" or "perverse" status.
- dang 2y ago
  I'm afraid I don't understand that second part of your comment - it's not clear to me what distinction you're wanting to appear in the UI. But I can answer this part: > if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? It's because most of the flags only happen later. Upvotes get a post onto the frontpage, then other users see it on the frontpage and think "wtf? that doesn't belong on HN" and flag it. This is especially common with sensational or outrageous stories, since those qualities inevitably attract upvotes—but then later they attract flags. You can think of flags as a bit like an immune system in that sense.

joseppudev 2y ago

This is democracy and freedom we get these days. and yup... the thread is gone.

dang 2y ago
There's nothing new in the HN community functioning this way. In fact, it's because the HN community functions this way that the site exists at all; otherwise it would have long ago turned into just another current affairs or celebrity gossip page.
- joseppudev 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - dang 2y ago
    I downvoted a few of them, and so did lots of other users—correctly so, as your comments (not just in this thread) have often been unsubstantive and/or flamebait. Can you please not post like that? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
    - joseppudev 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - spockswrench 2y ago
    I upvoted your comment, but my upvotes are censored so sadly it didn't impact your score. This site is completely a propaganda arm for YC and their interests. The mod even admitted that "the algorithm" doesn't allow my upvotes to show: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639821 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639821
    - joseppudev 2y ago

4oo4 2y ago

Unlike other stories critical of Sam Altman, it's very suspicious the way this is so quickly and systematically downvoted and flagged every single time it's posted. This happened the last time this was posted too. Sam Altman deserves the right to defend himself in court as does Ann to tell her story (who personally I believe). https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37785072 The good news is that with the lawsuit it will be in the news more and much harder to silence, maybe at some point we can have a proper discussion about it on HN without people (or more likely bots) trying to memoryhole it every single time.

leotravis10 2y ago
Amen, hopefully someday we can get a proper civil discussion on this. Shame on the HN mods and higher ups really for trying to censor this.
- dang 2y ago
  The mods haven't done anything. This story is being flagged by users and, after looking at the data, I believe it's a genuine community response. (Edit: here's comment I just ran across, which expresses some of this response: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42638174 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42638174). More here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637131 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42637022 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42632335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42632335
  - spockswrench 2y ago
    You have a vested interest to protect Sam Altman and sure enough this story is not allowed on the front page. This site has many forms of censorship built in, yet you always act with plausible deniability, blaming "the users" or worse yet "the algorithm" (as if that's not fully in your control). I hope you know that most people aren't buying it.
    - 2y ago