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Sam Altman accused of sexual abuse by his sister

49 points by Popeyes 2y ago

Alifatisk 2y ago
Sam and his family’s statement https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1876780763653263770 https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1876780763653263770
- aguaviva 2y ago
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cranberryturkey 2y ago
[flagged]
ChrisArchitect 2y ago
[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42630197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42630197
- tyleo 2y ago
  The dupe is flagged which is strange since this seems relative to the HN community. You can find plenty of other sexual harassment claims in the HN history which are not flagged.
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    You know this same story has been posted on this place for at least 2 years? Every time (since the first couple at least) it gets flagged, called a dupe, and people in the comments wring their hands about WHY that is. What's the interesting conversation that's supposed to emerge from this? "I believe her." "I don't." is about the limit. There's no new info other than a suit being filed, there's a ton of heat, but almost no light. So people flag it, then other people act like there's a conspiracy to flag it.
    - spockswrench 2y ago
      It's important to have a discussion about one of the most powerful people in tech behaving in a completely immoral fashion. Is it safe to use OpenAI, I think not. This site has a vested interest in squashing that very important discussion, so we're not allowed to have it here.
      - EA-3167 2y ago
        You might not want to believe that other people don't see things the way you do, and you might prefer to believe that 'the site' is disagreeing with you instead. I'd just ask... what's the "conversation" that needs to happen? Why would this change the "safety" of using OpenAI? How is intellectual curiosity satisfied by a page of people who don't know the truth of the matter, speculating about what-if's that we can't possibly resolve with the information we have? That's tabloid talk, and as far as OpenAI goes that company is a whole lot more than Sam Altman.
        spockswrench 2y ago
        Examples of why this is important: Will asking OpenAI about this topic yield biased results? How about other topics? Would you trust OpenAI to not spy on your prompts? Are they selling your data? Leadership morals matter.
        EA-3167 2y ago
        In order: Why would you ask an LLM as a way of getting important news? See previous. Absolutely not, I wouldn't trust ANY company in the modern age to not suck up every byte of data they can, whether the CEO comes with a halo or horns. Probably not, since that data is incredibly valuable and gives them an edge over competitors, otherwise sure they would everyone does. And leadership morals matters? Then I guess we're in a bit of trouble given the morality of our leaders, but lets not pretend this is new or limited to OpenAI. I'd also argue that in terms of what impacts society, the impact of OpenAI on the job market is MUCH more severe than the impact of Sam Altman's alleged person misdeeds.
joseppudev 2y ago
It does look like awful lot of gaslighting to paint her as mentally ill. some quick web search showed she is the black sheep of the family. and she seem to exhibit behaviors r-pe victims commonly do like using sexuality to empower themselves (having an active onl-fans account) and such. Just like in Lavinia Woodward's case. Success sometimes gives you this kind of privilege to bypass justice. The dupe thread seems to have been flagged and this thread might be flagged as well. Not hard to see what is going on tbh.
- raxxor 2y ago
  That is a worrying amount of conjecture about something nobody knows anything about in any direction.
- tyleo 2y ago
  I was seeing this on the front page of HN mere moments ago and now it’s gone.
  - dang 2y ago
    That's what happens when upvotes put a story on the front page and then user flags take it off the front page. This is standard stuff. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 and the other links there.
    - DoctorOetker 2y ago
      Just out of curiosity if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? I recall multiple HN Epstein discussions that didn't get flagged (in the sense of Net Flagged status assignment by HN, not talking about individual acts of individual flagging) It would really help the discourse if HN used separate terms for the button for users to individually cast a flag, and the [flagged] marking by HN: a suggestion would be to give the latter a different word like [perverse], as the literal meaning of perverse come from Latin "per" (away) "vertere" (to turn), i.e. "turned away" or "to turn a blind eye" as one would say in English. That would seem more apt as it describes what is done, and allows HN commenters to talk about the difference between individual acts of users pressing the "flag" button versus HN mapping that to an attention modulating action. For example discussions about the method of mapping upvotes, views, flaggings, and their relative timing distributions, onto the either "attended" or "perverse" status.
leotravis10 2y ago
Here's the report from 2023 that eventually triggered this lawsuit: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman... Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311509 I believe everything Annie says here.
- aaron695 2y ago
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- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Why?
  - EA-3167 2y ago
    I don't know, but it seems to be something he says on every iteration of this article, which keeps getting posted and reposted. Looking through Annie's story certainly didn't leave me with a sense of certainty about anything, and the notion of "recovered memories" is more than just controversial.
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49 points by Popeyes 2y ago

Sam and his family’s statement https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1876780763653263770 https://xcancel.com/sama/status/1876780763653263770

aguaviva 2y ago
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cranberryturkey 2y ago

[flagged]

ChrisArchitect 2y ago

[dupe] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42630197 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42630197

tyleo 2y ago
The dupe is flagged which is strange since this seems relative to the HN community. You can find plenty of other sexual harassment claims in the HN history which are not flagged.
- EA-3167 2y ago
  You know this same story has been posted on this place for at least 2 years? Every time (since the first couple at least) it gets flagged, called a dupe, and people in the comments wring their hands about WHY that is. What's the interesting conversation that's supposed to emerge from this? "I believe her." "I don't." is about the limit. There's no new info other than a suit being filed, there's a ton of heat, but almost no light. So people flag it, then other people act like there's a conspiracy to flag it.
  - spockswrench 2y ago
    It's important to have a discussion about one of the most powerful people in tech behaving in a completely immoral fashion. Is it safe to use OpenAI, I think not. This site has a vested interest in squashing that very important discussion, so we're not allowed to have it here.
    - EA-3167 2y ago
      You might not want to believe that other people don't see things the way you do, and you might prefer to believe that 'the site' is disagreeing with you instead. I'd just ask... what's the "conversation" that needs to happen? Why would this change the "safety" of using OpenAI? How is intellectual curiosity satisfied by a page of people who don't know the truth of the matter, speculating about what-if's that we can't possibly resolve with the information we have? That's tabloid talk, and as far as OpenAI goes that company is a whole lot more than Sam Altman.
      - spockswrench 2y ago
        Examples of why this is important: Will asking OpenAI about this topic yield biased results? How about other topics? Would you trust OpenAI to not spy on your prompts? Are they selling your data? Leadership morals matter.
        EA-3167 2y ago
        In order: Why would you ask an LLM as a way of getting important news? See previous. Absolutely not, I wouldn't trust ANY company in the modern age to not suck up every byte of data they can, whether the CEO comes with a halo or horns. Probably not, since that data is incredibly valuable and gives them an edge over competitors, otherwise sure they would everyone does. And leadership morals matters? Then I guess we're in a bit of trouble given the morality of our leaders, but lets not pretend this is new or limited to OpenAI. I'd also argue that in terms of what impacts society, the impact of OpenAI on the job market is MUCH more severe than the impact of Sam Altman's alleged person misdeeds.

joseppudev 2y ago

It does look like awful lot of gaslighting to paint her as mentally ill. some quick web search showed she is the black sheep of the family. and she seem to exhibit behaviors r-pe victims commonly do like using sexuality to empower themselves (having an active onl-fans account) and such. Just like in Lavinia Woodward's case. Success sometimes gives you this kind of privilege to bypass justice. The dupe thread seems to have been flagged and this thread might be flagged as well. Not hard to see what is going on tbh.

raxxor 2y ago
That is a worrying amount of conjecture about something nobody knows anything about in any direction.
tyleo 2y ago
I was seeing this on the front page of HN mere moments ago and now it’s gone.
- dang 2y ago
  That's what happens when upvotes put a story on the front page and then user flags take it off the front page. This is standard stuff. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42639323 and the other links there.
  - DoctorOetker 2y ago
    Just out of curiosity if more people downvote / individual flag it than upvote it, then how did it rise to the front page to start with? I recall multiple HN Epstein discussions that didn't get flagged (in the sense of Net Flagged status assignment by HN, not talking about individual acts of individual flagging) It would really help the discourse if HN used separate terms for the button for users to individually cast a flag, and the [flagged] marking by HN: a suggestion would be to give the latter a different word like [perverse], as the literal meaning of perverse come from Latin "per" (away) "vertere" (to turn), i.e. "turned away" or "to turn a blind eye" as one would say in English. That would seem more apt as it describes what is done, and allows HN commenters to talk about the difference between individual acts of users pressing the "flag" button versus HN mapping that to an attention modulating action. For example discussions about the method of mapping upvotes, views, flaggings, and their relative timing distributions, onto the either "attended" or "perverse" status.

leotravis10 2y ago

Here's the report from 2023 that eventually triggered this lawsuit: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman-s-sister-annie-altman-claims-sam-has-severely https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/QDczBduZorG4dxZiW/sam-altman... Related discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311509 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38311509 I believe everything Annie says here.

aaron695 2y ago
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s1artibartfast 2y ago
Why?
- EA-3167 2y ago
  I don't know, but it seems to be something he says on every iteration of this article, which keeps getting posted and reposted. Looking through Annie's story certainly didn't leave me with a sense of certainty about anything, and the notion of "recovered memories" is more than just controversial.

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