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Okay this is an interesting topic but I think you are conflating several things. The decline in sexual experience is occurring in California metros too. Its re

Okay this is an interesting topic but I think you are conflating several things. The decline in sexual experience is occurring in California metros too. Its really interesting how the behaviors have shifted and surprising to me. But people are bonding, social, far less exclusionary, inclusive to things they’ve never heard of - unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. I date 20-somethings, it’s just different than what I see with people I grew up with. I would say chronic anxiety and demisexuality are common, the most notable to me, and drive a lot of these shifts. But the libidos are there, their age-peers don’t know what they’re doing with really offputting habits or aren’t as interested either. I just cant extrapolate a real exclusionary streak from conservative leanings. Your algorithm is just cooked right now.

immibis 2y ago
> unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. These things are very different and do not belong in the same list, and I've noticed that when people do put them together, they're often trying to make the point that political party is just another arbitrary inherent attribute like race, rather than a serious reflection of someone's character. Can you explain why you think they belong together?
- riehwvfbk 2y ago
  Because they are just arbitrary attributes rather than a serious reflection of someone's character? Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Republican == Nazi (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
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  - immibis 2y ago
    Underneath this comment is a dead one that should probably not be dead. I don't have the power to vouch for it, so I recommend that person should make a new account to avoid auto-dead.
  - yoyohello13 2y ago
    I don't think this is entirely true. Most people are normal, but if I'm a woman dating a young conservative man. That conservative has a non-zero chance to actually believe shit like "your body, my choice." Probably don't want to be dating that guy. It's not a guarantee, but a danger signal.
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      Upvoted you, because opinions should be safe to voice even if one disagrees with them. This does appear to be a common concern. I also happen to know many families that vote Republican where the woman also happens to "wear the pants".
      - yoyohello13 2y ago
        100% of modern misogynistic rhetoric and all the new erosion of women’s rights is coming from the right. Ignoring that fact is just stupid. “Wearing the pants” doesn’t mean shit when they also vote a rapist into office.
        riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Let's say that's true: all misogynistic rhetoric is coming from the right. This does not also mean that anyone on the right is automatically a misogynist. I know, you'll have a knee-jerk reaction to the above. Let me illustrate the point. 100% of "white people are oppressors" rhetoric comes from the left. By your logic, no white person should vote Democrat. Ah, but you'll say that not everyone on the left is hung up on this, not everyone is actually an oppressor, and we can all get along. Well, the same point applies to the right and misogynists then, doesn't it?
  - Loudergood 2y ago
    Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Blue Collar == Republican (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.
    - riehwvfbk 2y ago
      You don't even believe this yourself, and are just trying to come up with a pithy comeback. Sorry, this one fell flat. The celebration of the Republican triumph definitely does not look like backpedaling. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Whatever you think political party association is, it's not arbitrary. It tells you something about someone's character. People choose political parties based on their personality type to a significant degree, which is not the case for star signs. You don't have to believe that the parties are different, but surely you believe that people don't choose a party by flipping a coin.
  - 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
    The Republicans didn't backpedal, Trump is talking about liebensraum
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  Young people don't have any political power at all, so "political party" doesn't say very much about them as a person.
  - yieldcrv 2y ago
    Tell that to their former friend the same age, who happened to pick the other party.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      When I was young, people had different political opinions and would still be friends and party and do things together. Only some odd fellows would make a fuzz and try to exclude somebody for politics, usually the opposite happened. When we're older, then political affiliation starts reflecting more on a persons character. Then we've all been through (or should have been through) the different situations where politics have a real world impact on our lives that we can understand and relate to.
      - immibis 2y ago
        When you were young, political differences were more likely about how much tax rich people should pay. Now, political differences are more like who should go in the gas chambers. You can respectfully disagree with people who think the tax rate should be 20% instead of 30%. You cannot respectfully disagree with people who think you belong in a gas chamber.
        carlosjobim 2y ago
        If that's the response you get from people when discussing politics, then you'll probably get better results with a different approach.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  those are the notable examples of how people are exclusionary, as it says. That is the common attribute. It wasn’t as deep as you made it, this time.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
You say people are bonding in a less exclusionary manner, but that doesnt mean they aren't bonding less as well. The chronic anxiety you mention, as well as the pervasive loneliness and depression I observe, seems to indicate a lack of healthy and supportive social bonds.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  Good point. The subset of 20-something year old women I date are social and have lots of anxieties, but it doesn’t really inhibit their ability to have a support system. I can see that there are plenty of other people who would have more difficult doing this by nature of not attracting positive attention and interest by default.

immibis 2y ago

> unless you’re the wrong star sign, ironically, or political party. These things are very different and do not belong in the same list, and I've noticed that when people do put them together, they're often trying to make the point that political party is just another arbitrary inherent attribute like race, rather than a serious reflection of someone's character. Can you explain why you think they belong together?

riehwvfbk 2y ago
Because they are just arbitrary attributes rather than a serious reflection of someone's character? Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Republican == Nazi (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  [dead]
- immibis 2y ago
  Underneath this comment is a dead one that should probably not be dead. I don't have the power to vouch for it, so I recommend that person should make a new account to avoid auto-dead.
- yoyohello13 2y ago
  I don't think this is entirely true. Most people are normal, but if I'm a woman dating a young conservative man. That conservative has a non-zero chance to actually believe shit like "your body, my choice." Probably don't want to be dating that guy. It's not a guarantee, but a danger signal.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    Upvoted you, because opinions should be safe to voice even if one disagrees with them. This does appear to be a common concern. I also happen to know many families that vote Republican where the woman also happens to "wear the pants".
    - yoyohello13 2y ago
      100% of modern misogynistic rhetoric and all the new erosion of women’s rights is coming from the right. Ignoring that fact is just stupid. “Wearing the pants” doesn’t mean shit when they also vote a rapist into office.
      - riehwvfbk 2y ago
        Let's say that's true: all misogynistic rhetoric is coming from the right. This does not also mean that anyone on the right is automatically a misogynist. I know, you'll have a knee-jerk reaction to the above. Let me illustrate the point. 100% of "white people are oppressors" rhetoric comes from the left. By your logic, no white person should vote Democrat. Ah, but you'll say that not everyone on the left is hung up on this, not everyone is actually an oppressor, and we can all get along. Well, the same point applies to the right and misogynists then, doesn't it?
- Loudergood 2y ago
  Just because certain media outlets brainwashed you into thinking that Blue Collar == Republican (they all backpedaled after the election ended by the way) doesn't mean it's true. Go talk to actual people with blue collar jobs. You'll find that their character is quite all right actually.
  - riehwvfbk 2y ago
    You don't even believe this yourself, and are just trying to come up with a pithy comeback. Sorry, this one fell flat. The celebration of the Republican triumph definitely does not look like backpedaling. To pretend otherwise is to ignore reality.
- immibis 2y ago
  Whatever you think political party association is, it's not arbitrary. It tells you something about someone's character. People choose political parties based on their personality type to a significant degree, which is not the case for star signs. You don't have to believe that the parties are different, but surely you believe that people don't choose a party by flipping a coin.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y ago
  The Republicans didn't backpedal, Trump is talking about liebensraum
carlosjobim 2y ago
Young people don't have any political power at all, so "political party" doesn't say very much about them as a person.
- yieldcrv 2y ago
  Tell that to their former friend the same age, who happened to pick the other party.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    When I was young, people had different political opinions and would still be friends and party and do things together. Only some odd fellows would make a fuzz and try to exclude somebody for politics, usually the opposite happened. When we're older, then political affiliation starts reflecting more on a persons character. Then we've all been through (or should have been through) the different situations where politics have a real world impact on our lives that we can understand and relate to.
    - immibis 2y ago
      When you were young, political differences were more likely about how much tax rich people should pay. Now, political differences are more like who should go in the gas chambers. You can respectfully disagree with people who think the tax rate should be 20% instead of 30%. You cannot respectfully disagree with people who think you belong in a gas chamber.
      - carlosjobim 2y ago
        If that's the response you get from people when discussing politics, then you'll probably get better results with a different approach.
yieldcrv 2y ago
those are the notable examples of how people are exclusionary, as it says. That is the common attribute. It wasn’t as deep as you made it, this time.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

You say people are bonding in a less exclusionary manner, but that doesnt mean they aren't bonding less as well. The chronic anxiety you mention, as well as the pervasive loneliness and depression I observe, seems to indicate a lack of healthy and supportive social bonds.

yieldcrv 2y ago
Good point. The subset of 20-something year old women I date are social and have lots of anxieties, but it doesn’t really inhibit their ability to have a support system. I can see that there are plenty of other people who would have more difficult doing this by nature of not attracting positive attention and interest by default.