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Housing isn't that expensive or unaffordable in the US unless you want to live in NYC or SF.

by chelical 2y ago

mcmcmc 2y ago
This just isn’t true
- nradov 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    "Don't be snarky." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    This is Texas: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TXSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TXSTHPI It's worse in San Francisco, but it's a nation-wide problem.
    - eitally 2y ago
      I would argue that it's worse now in high COL TX metros than it is in the bay area, because even if home values are still lower in Austin, for example, Texas property taxes are brutal compared to CA and have increased dramatically [in line with property value appreciation], which Prop 13 doesn't allow to happen in CA.
      - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
        I mean it's not just Texas either. Florida: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLSTHPI Pennsylvania: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PASTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PASTHPI Virginia: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VASTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VASTHPI Vermont: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VTSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VTSTHPI Tennessee: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TNSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TNSTHPI
  - olyjohn 2y ago
    I can tell you haven't ever actually shopped for housing outside of a major city.
lolinder 2y ago
Housing cost complaints are dramatically overstated on HN because SF and Seattle are dramatically overrepresented. Housing has definitely become more expensive on average in much of the country over the last few years, but it's not as crazy an issue in most places as it is in the places many HNers live, and there are plenty of places where housing is actually still quite cheap (for example, most of the Midwest).
- MichaelZuo 2y ago
  It’s also quite bizarre to read these endless complaints, because by definition roughly 1 percent of communities must be in the 99th percentile of communities in terms of unaffordability. Edit: That can never change either, in aggregate, so it’s literally futile to complain about it in general terms.
- lapcat 2y ago
  > there are plenty of places where housing is actually still quite cheap (for example, most of the Midwest). The housing market in Madison, Wisconsin is crazy. I sold my house 8 years ago, and now its estimated value is 70% higher than my selling price. I know a lot of people in the area who are despondent about the prices.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    I said most. There are exceptions, of course.
    - lapcat 2y ago
      > I said most. Ok, but what's the empirical justification for this claim? Why is Madison, Wisconsin a rare exception?
      - johncearls 2y ago
        Madison is exceptional for a midwestern city. It has a large and excellent state university. Epic is based there and most of FAANG has outposts there to draw the CS talent. Additionally, it is the state capitol which means a lot of companies providing services to the state. Aside from all that, it is a pretty picturesque location for the Midwest, with the two big lakes and surrounded by rolling hills. Something you won't find in Urbana-Champaign for comparison. When people talk about low cost of living in the Midwest they generally mean more depressed areas. I live in a very low cost of living rural (15k ppl) community in Illinois, with half an acre on a lake in a 3000 sq foot house where the mortgage is only 250k. Of course, if I ever lose my remote job, I'd never be able to find work. Most of the people here work at one of 2 medium-sized factories or the hospital. The median household income is only $40k. The town I live in is a far more common case for the rural Midwest.
linsomniac 2y ago
Northern CO here, my daughter had big plans of finding someplace to live with 2-4 of her friends after graduating high school, but they all quickly decided that was not at all workable due to housing costs.

Housing isn't that expensive or unaffordable in the US unless you want to live in NYC or SF.

mcmcmc 2y ago

This just isn’t true

nradov 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  "Don't be snarky." "Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  This is Texas: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TXSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TXSTHPI It's worse in San Francisco, but it's a nation-wide problem.
  - eitally 2y ago
    I would argue that it's worse now in high COL TX metros than it is in the bay area, because even if home values are still lower in Austin, for example, Texas property taxes are brutal compared to CA and have increased dramatically [in line with property value appreciation], which Prop 13 doesn't allow to happen in CA.
    - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
      I mean it's not just Texas either. Florida: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FLSTHPI Pennsylvania: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PASTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/PASTHPI Virginia: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VASTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VASTHPI Vermont: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VTSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/VTSTHPI Tennessee: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TNSTHPI https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TNSTHPI
- olyjohn 2y ago
  I can tell you haven't ever actually shopped for housing outside of a major city.

lolinder 2y ago

Housing cost complaints are dramatically overstated on HN because SF and Seattle are dramatically overrepresented. Housing has definitely become more expensive on average in much of the country over the last few years, but it's not as crazy an issue in most places as it is in the places many HNers live, and there are plenty of places where housing is actually still quite cheap (for example, most of the Midwest).

MichaelZuo 2y ago
It’s also quite bizarre to read these endless complaints, because by definition roughly 1 percent of communities must be in the 99th percentile of communities in terms of unaffordability. Edit: That can never change either, in aggregate, so it’s literally futile to complain about it in general terms.
lapcat 2y ago
> there are plenty of places where housing is actually still quite cheap (for example, most of the Midwest). The housing market in Madison, Wisconsin is crazy. I sold my house 8 years ago, and now its estimated value is 70% higher than my selling price. I know a lot of people in the area who are despondent about the prices.
- lolinder 2y ago
  I said most. There are exceptions, of course.
  - lapcat 2y ago
    > I said most. Ok, but what's the empirical justification for this claim? Why is Madison, Wisconsin a rare exception?
    - johncearls 2y ago
      Madison is exceptional for a midwestern city. It has a large and excellent state university. Epic is based there and most of FAANG has outposts there to draw the CS talent. Additionally, it is the state capitol which means a lot of companies providing services to the state. Aside from all that, it is a pretty picturesque location for the Midwest, with the two big lakes and surrounded by rolling hills. Something you won't find in Urbana-Champaign for comparison. When people talk about low cost of living in the Midwest they generally mean more depressed areas. I live in a very low cost of living rural (15k ppl) community in Illinois, with half an acre on a lake in a 3000 sq foot house where the mortgage is only 250k. Of course, if I ever lose my remote job, I'd never be able to find work. Most of the people here work at one of 2 medium-sized factories or the hospital. The median household income is only $40k. The town I live in is a far more common case for the rural Midwest.

linsomniac 2y ago

Northern CO here, my daughter had big plans of finding someplace to live with 2-4 of her friends after graduating high school, but they all quickly decided that was not at all workable due to housing costs.