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The reversibility of puberty blockers is highly disputed. Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex

The reversibility of puberty blockers is highly disputed. Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex question. We already have men who freely admitted to claiming to be trans solely for the purpose of accessing women’s locker rooms.

irisgrunn 2y ago
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- amyames 2y ago
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- dinkumthinkum 2y ago
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  - irisgrunn 2y ago
    Why wouldn't puberty blockers be reversible? What's dubious about that peer reviewed study ? Who's talking about males? Trans woman on HRT are not male, all biological processes in their bodies change because off the hormones
    - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
      Where is your actual evidence puberty blockers are reversible? They are male. Their reproductive systems are organized around creating sperm not eggs. HRT does not change a male into a female. There are myriad aspects of biology that still makes them male and confers all such advantages in athletics. This is just reality.
    - jl6 2y ago
      This comment fundamentally misunderstands what “male” means. No matter how inconvenient a truth, humans cannot change sex.
- ongy 2y ago
  > > Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex question. > Again, not really, except for all the misinformation online. If trans woman have such an high advantage, why haven't they dominated the Olympics for the last 20 years? Not really sure why you specify 20 years, but I'm too lazy to go through the history of IOC positions to figure out the one 20 years ago. Because looking at the current one already provides the answer. The IOC doesn't take the position that it is a simple topic. The wording in https://olympics.com/ioc/human-rights/fairness-inclusion-nondiscrimination https://olympics.com/ioc/human-rights/fairness-inclusion-non... (and click through) is quite clear that they see a tension between inclusion along the axis of sexual identity and a continuation (or successor) or male/female category split.
Nasrudith 2y ago
Disputed by the disingenuous. Notice who they always exclude from the restrictions from those "dangerous drugs"? Cis children. Magically that 0.01% of the population faces absolutely zero issues.

irisgrunn 2y ago

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amyames 2y ago
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dinkumthinkum 2y ago
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- irisgrunn 2y ago
  Why wouldn't puberty blockers be reversible? What's dubious about that peer reviewed study ? Who's talking about males? Trans woman on HRT are not male, all biological processes in their bodies change because off the hormones
  - dinkumthinkum 2y ago
    Where is your actual evidence puberty blockers are reversible? They are male. Their reproductive systems are organized around creating sperm not eggs. HRT does not change a male into a female. There are myriad aspects of biology that still makes them male and confers all such advantages in athletics. This is just reality.
  - jl6 2y ago
    This comment fundamentally misunderstands what “male” means. No matter how inconvenient a truth, humans cannot change sex.
ongy 2y ago
> > Whether and under what circumstances trans women have no advantage over cos women is a highly complex question. > Again, not really, except for all the misinformation online. If trans woman have such an high advantage, why haven't they dominated the Olympics for the last 20 years? Not really sure why you specify 20 years, but I'm too lazy to go through the history of IOC positions to figure out the one 20 years ago. Because looking at the current one already provides the answer. The IOC doesn't take the position that it is a simple topic. The wording in https://olympics.com/ioc/human-rights/fairness-inclusion-nondiscrimination https://olympics.com/ioc/human-rights/fairness-inclusion-non... (and click through) is quite clear that they see a tension between inclusion along the axis of sexual identity and a continuation (or successor) or male/female category split.

Nasrudith 2y ago

Disputed by the disingenuous. Notice who they always exclude from the restrictions from those "dangerous drugs"? Cis children. Magically that 0.01% of the population faces absolutely zero issues.