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>I think it would have been product development malpractice the thing is both community notes and top down moderation, if they have any purpose at all, are pro

>I think it would have been product development malpractice the thing is both community notes and top down moderation, if they have any purpose at all, are product malpractice. If they work, they are always going to be intrusive because that's what they're supposed to do, correct factually wrong information. Community notes is the neighborhood police, top down moderation is the feds but if they do their job either one is going to be annoying by definition. If they're not intrusive they don't perform a corrective function and that's what largely happened to community notes. As time goes on they're more and more snarky and sarcastic meta comments rather than corrections.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
But because they are community driven, they are snarky in a way that represents the community, which makes me question if they are intrusive at all. They are what the community grows them into.
tptacek 2y ago
It seems pretty clear to me that one of these features generally makes users happy and, at the same time, does correct some misinformation, and the other catches about 0.0001% of the bad stuff and turns it into advertisements for how bad the site is.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  How can you possibly call community notes on Twitter a "success" when they demonstrably have not reduced the amount of actively made up shit on the site, and the same people who complain about a fact checker saying "no, vaccines do not change your DNA" are just as upset when that info comes from the community notes box, and the only reason there hasn't been widescale anger about them is because Elon wants to pretend it was his idea.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    I'm not saying Twitter it is good. It is demonstrably not. But you're kidding yourself if you thought Facebook fact checking was suppressing the antivaxers and flat-earthers.
    - freejazz 2y ago
      Oh, so community notes on twitter are actually not good, but its good that Facebook is implementing them anyway? You make no sense and are constantly equivocating back and forth in all your different posts.
  - melodyogonna 2y ago
    They're not there to eliminate made up shit, they're the to add context - e.g "this post is made up and demonstrably false".

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

But because they are community driven, they are snarky in a way that represents the community, which makes me question if they are intrusive at all. They are what the community grows them into.

tptacek 2y ago

It seems pretty clear to me that one of these features generally makes users happy and, at the same time, does correct some misinformation, and the other catches about 0.0001% of the bad stuff and turns it into advertisements for how bad the site is.

mrguyorama 2y ago
How can you possibly call community notes on Twitter a "success" when they demonstrably have not reduced the amount of actively made up shit on the site, and the same people who complain about a fact checker saying "no, vaccines do not change your DNA" are just as upset when that info comes from the community notes box, and the only reason there hasn't been widescale anger about them is because Elon wants to pretend it was his idea.
- tptacek 2y ago
  I'm not saying Twitter it is good. It is demonstrably not. But you're kidding yourself if you thought Facebook fact checking was suppressing the antivaxers and flat-earthers.
  - freejazz 2y ago
    Oh, so community notes on twitter are actually not good, but its good that Facebook is implementing them anyway? You make no sense and are constantly equivocating back and forth in all your different posts.
- melodyogonna 2y ago
  They're not there to eliminate made up shit, they're the to add context - e.g "this post is made up and demonstrably false".