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Community notes seems to be quite well received. I like that the algorithm seems to be public and (IIUC) tamper-evident. The obvious context is that either Met
by theptip 2y ago
Community notes seems to be quite well received. I like that the algorithm seems to be public and (IIUC) tamper-evident.
The obvious context is that either Meta gets out of the content moderation game voluntarily, or the incoming admin goes to war with them.
> focusing our enforcement on illegal and high-severity violations.
I imagine this will in practice determine how far they can go in the EU. Community notes, sure. No moderation? Maybe not.
- qingcharles 2y agoI really like Community Notes, and hate the rest of what Twitter has become. But... Community Notes is subject to "tampering." Elon's either removes the CNs himself from his posts, or his brigade downvote them to infinity so they don't appear on all the misinfo he posts.
- warkdarrior 2y ago> Elon's either removes the CNs himself from his posts, or his brigade downvote them to infinity so they don't appear on all the misinfo he posts. I don't know if this is the case, but X is Elon's property, so he can shape it as he pleases. Assuming that X (or Facebook) is unbiased and working for your benefit is simply foolish, unless you are Musk (or Zuckerberg).
- raphman 2y ago[Posted also in another thread:] I am not so sure that Musk or right-wing moderators are directly to blame for the lack of published community notes. My guess: in recent months, many people (e.g., me) who are motivated to counter fake news have left Twitter for other platforms. Thus, proposed CNs are seen and upvoted by fewer people, resulting in fewer of them being shown to the public. Also, I ask myself: why should I spend time verifying or writing CNs when it does not matter - the emperor knows that he is not wearing any clothes, and he does not care.
- hcurtiss 2y agoDo we have any evidence that Musk has removed a CN on his own post? I've personally seen evidence to the contrary, and he makes a point of highlighting that even he gets a CN every now and then.
- Ajedi32 2y agoAs the root comment noted, one of the great things about community notes on X are that the algorithm and the data it's operating on are public. If Musk were removing notes that would be trivial to prove. The fact that such claims of tampering are never accompanied by said proof should tell you all you need to know.
- daveguy 2y agoWhen you ban anyone who speaks against you, you don't even need moderation! Problem solved. But of course he can turn it off. He owns the entire platform and algorithms on it.
- zahlman 2y agoMusk can't ban people from HN. If there existed evidence of him removing CNs from his own Twitter posts, it could trivially be posted here.
- daveguy 2y agoHow exactly would there be evidence if he can have every CN screened?
- zahlman 2y agoIf something is "removed", that logically implies that it was there at some point in the past. Technology exists which can archive the state of webpages at the current point in time. If someone is believed to do something habitually, and others wish to gather evidence of that conduct, they might prepare in advance. I assume I don't need to connect the dots here.
- bpodgursky 2y agoI don't think "CEO is able to remove community notes" is a strong mark against the community note algorithm. No system is immune to being turned off...
- zahlman 2y ago[flagged]
- TiredOfLife 2y agoCan you evidence that Musk posts things that are provably true?
- zahlman 2y agoI don't read Musk's tweets, or really any tweets that aren't directly linked to me by friends. That's completely irrelevant to the discussion, however. GP asserts that Musk takes actions to protect "...the misinfo he posts". The burden of proof is on GP to establish that Musk posts "misinfo[rmation]", a word which I understand in context to mean "content which is provably untrue". If you think it should mean something different, please explain why.
- FireBeyond 2y agoNancy Pelosi's husband's gay lover hammer attack? Diver rescuers being pedophiles?
- stronglikedan 2y ago[flagged]
- consp 2y agoThese accusations are untrue until otherwise presented. Or is the burden of proof these days on the Innocent?
- zahlman 2y agoThe post I replied to was accusing Musk of posting "misinfo". I responded by asking for evidence of Musk saying things that are provably untrue, because that is the standard of evidence that would be required to support such an accusation. This is not a criminal proceeding.