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While I'm sure congestion pricing will have a positive impact on traffic, I'd wait a little while longer to draw any conclusions, considering (1) the data is fr

by paxys 2y ago

While I'm sure congestion pricing will have a positive impact on traffic, I'd wait a little while longer to draw any conclusions, considering (1) the data is from a single day (2) lots of people aren't back from holiday travel and (3) there's a winter storm across the country and a decent amount of snow fell in Jersey/New York today, discouraging driving.

occz 2y ago
You can already extrapolate from the results from other cities who have implemented the policy, where it has been wildly successful at reducing congestion.
- freejazz 2y ago
  I thought London's traffic returned to the same levels as prior to their congestion pricing?
  - evgen 2y ago
    It has not. Traffic levels are down 15-20% while number of visitors to the inside of the congestion zone has increased. Traffic speed inside the zone has also increased slightly. Overall, London's example shows that congestion pricing works as advertised.
  - eru 2y ago
    Singapore is probably the better model to look at? We had congestion pricing before London.
- coding123 2y ago
  ... for rich people.
  - occz 2y ago
    Nope, it's been great for poorer people who take transit at higher rates than others, and congestion pricing funds useful transit expansions for them.
    - jdkdkdkfj 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - occz 2y ago
        This comment is telling about your values when it comes to both cars and buses. Consider some introspection.
        jdkdkdkfj 2y ago
        [flagged]
        vcarl 2y ago
        Yes, you stand behind your comments so strongly you created an anonymous throwaway account just to share them.
        deleted 2y ago
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- polon 2y ago
  So far, none of the data provided by the linked site would suggest Manhattan will see a reduction in transportation times. This is with the Monday snow however, which I'd imagine caused delays by itself. I will say, being in Manhattan, their seems to be less traffic on the road. I wonder if Google Maps traffic data is using a rolling average of ~7 days or something
  - asdff 2y ago
    Google maps traffic data is live
  - yt-sdb 2y ago
    Are you sure? Compare before/after for the main affected regions (Holland Tunnel, Queensboro) versus the unaffected regions. We definitely need more data, but I think there's an immediate reduction in the obvious places.
    - blehn 2y ago
      According to this data, traffic is reduced on the bridges and tunnels but not within Manhattan itself, e.g., going from Hell's Kitchen to Midtown East or Greenwich Village to Alphabet City.
    - polon 2y ago
      You're right...I was only looking at internal Manhattan, but the bridges and tunnels seem to show a significant reduction in transportation times

by paxys 2y ago

occz 2y ago

You can already extrapolate from the results from other cities who have implemented the policy, where it has been wildly successful at reducing congestion.

freejazz 2y ago
I thought London's traffic returned to the same levels as prior to their congestion pricing?
- evgen 2y ago
  It has not. Traffic levels are down 15-20% while number of visitors to the inside of the congestion zone has increased. Traffic speed inside the zone has also increased slightly. Overall, London's example shows that congestion pricing works as advertised.
- eru 2y ago
  Singapore is probably the better model to look at? We had congestion pricing before London.
coding123 2y ago
... for rich people.
- occz 2y ago
  Nope, it's been great for poorer people who take transit at higher rates than others, and congestion pricing funds useful transit expansions for them.
  - jdkdkdkfj 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - occz 2y ago
      This comment is telling about your values when it comes to both cars and buses. Consider some introspection.
      - jdkdkdkfj 2y ago
        [flagged]
        vcarl 2y ago
        Yes, you stand behind your comments so strongly you created an anonymous throwaway account just to share them.
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
polon 2y ago
So far, none of the data provided by the linked site would suggest Manhattan will see a reduction in transportation times. This is with the Monday snow however, which I'd imagine caused delays by itself. I will say, being in Manhattan, their seems to be less traffic on the road. I wonder if Google Maps traffic data is using a rolling average of ~7 days or something
- asdff 2y ago
  Google maps traffic data is live
- yt-sdb 2y ago
  Are you sure? Compare before/after for the main affected regions (Holland Tunnel, Queensboro) versus the unaffected regions. We definitely need more data, but I think there's an immediate reduction in the obvious places.
  - blehn 2y ago
    According to this data, traffic is reduced on the bridges and tunnels but not within Manhattan itself, e.g., going from Hell's Kitchen to Midtown East or Greenwich Village to Alphabet City.
  - polon 2y ago
    You're right...I was only looking at internal Manhattan, but the bridges and tunnels seem to show a significant reduction in transportation times