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The USA is great when you're working age and are healthy. Outside the 18-65 age range, not so much. I hope Canada will not morph into USA-lite.

_DeadFred_ 2y ago
Or if you have older family members you care about. Or if you don't want your children having to practice 'active shooter' drills during their school days.
- avgDev 2y ago
  My toddler had active shooter drills in day care.....I sometimes think about leaving US.
  - objektif 2y ago
    Many of my friends are also thinking of just leaving to Europe. This whole thing about running after more and more money may just not be worth it at the end.
    - matwood 2y ago
      Nowhere is perfect, but I see many places in the EU as a great lifestyle arbitrage. If someone made or can continue to make US level money while living in the EU, that's a great situation. Depending on the country, visas can be challenging, but most HN skillsets will qualify for digital nomad visas. We bought a place 2 years ago and are in the process of fixing up (it was used as a vacation home).
      - teamonkey 2y ago
        > make US level money while living in the EU, that's a great situation Have you considered Canada?
        matwood 2y ago
        No, it's too cold. Also, as my wife and I get closer to retirement we want to do more traveling in and around the EU.
      - objektif 2y ago
        I am happy for you. May I ask which country?
        matwood 2y ago
        Sure, we landed on the northeast Italian coast. We seriously considered Greece, southern France, and Croatia. I don't think there is a single right place for everyone. Each person needs to do their own checklist of requirements.
  - pigeons 2y ago
    We have that in canada. And non-drill stabbings at my kindergarteners school
    - fknorangesite 2y ago
      > We have that in canada That's certainly not the norm. Where, more specifically?
      - pigeons 2y ago
        Metro Vancouver
y-c-o-m-b 2y ago
I think 26-45 might be the more realistic ideal range. Even then, if you have chronic health problems, godspeed. There's certainly more wealth available if you have the means to get it though.
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busterarm 2y ago
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bko 2y ago
Is it because people outside of 18 and 65 don't have to pay rent or a mortgage? Also one of the often touted benefits of Canada to US is the public healthcare system, but after 65 most people are on Medicare which is adequate and under 25 generally under your parents insurance. Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old.
- sangnoir 2y ago
  > Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old. The young, old, and those too unhealthy to work full-time. And to answer your question: a better social safety net, IMO. Edit: Because this topic is flamebait, I'm preemptively declaring that I'm not going to argue about my opinion. YMMV.
  - dismalaf 2y ago
    There is no social safety net. Half my town burned down in a national park, including my own home. You think the Federal government did anything? You think there was any net at all? The Federal government even had the gall to refuse my 2 year old's passport renewal for example because I only paid the renewal fee, and not an additional fee for the passport getting destroyed before expiration date that was buried under 10 pages of fine print that I missed because we were homeless with a toddler. And they already had my CC# on the application anyway, but because I didn't explicitly mark down the extra fee, the application was refused. Now we've found a new home in a new town at our own expense, and we can't see a doctor. My 2 year old can't see a doctor. There's not enough doctors and practices won't take on new patients unless you go on a years-long wait list. This is our "free" healthcare. If you're dying, you can go to an emergency room and wait for 8 hours to see a doctor. If you need anything routine you're fucked if you don't have a family doctor. We had one, but our town burnt down and now it'll be years before we have one again. You know how we access healthcare? We go to Europe. We go to my wife's country of origin twice a year to visit family and get healthcare. I had a surgery there (wait in Canada was 2 years, in the EU I got it done in 2 days), our son has had all his checkups and most of his vaccines done there. This social safety net is a myth, a theory. It exists until you actually try to access it. edit - the only help we received was our insurance company, a private corporation. So what's the difference versus the US apart from our much higher taxes and lower wages?
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UncleOxidant 2y ago
My grandparents emigrated from the US to Canada in the late 80s when they were in their 60s. One of their daughters had married a Canadian decades before and she sponsored them. They loved it. They felt like they got better care up there.
cryptonector 2y ago
The meme goes that in Canada if you have an expensive healthcare need the government will offer euthanasia. Is that not true? How come euthanasia is now the fourth leading cause of death in Canada?
- fknorangesite 2y ago
  You shouldn't be putting so much stock in memes.
  - cryptonector 2y ago
    According to Google it's 4.7% of deaths in 2024 in Canada. This story says it's the fifth leading cause of death: https://www.ncbcenter.org/messages-from-presidents/maidcanada https://www.ncbcenter.org/messages-from-presidents/maidcanad...

_DeadFred_ 2y ago

Or if you have older family members you care about. Or if you don't want your children having to practice 'active shooter' drills during their school days.

avgDev 2y ago
My toddler had active shooter drills in day care.....I sometimes think about leaving US.
- objektif 2y ago
  Many of my friends are also thinking of just leaving to Europe. This whole thing about running after more and more money may just not be worth it at the end.
  - matwood 2y ago
    Nowhere is perfect, but I see many places in the EU as a great lifestyle arbitrage. If someone made or can continue to make US level money while living in the EU, that's a great situation. Depending on the country, visas can be challenging, but most HN skillsets will qualify for digital nomad visas. We bought a place 2 years ago and are in the process of fixing up (it was used as a vacation home).
    - teamonkey 2y ago
      > make US level money while living in the EU, that's a great situation Have you considered Canada?
      - matwood 2y ago
        No, it's too cold. Also, as my wife and I get closer to retirement we want to do more traveling in and around the EU.
    - objektif 2y ago
      I am happy for you. May I ask which country?
      - matwood 2y ago
        Sure, we landed on the northeast Italian coast. We seriously considered Greece, southern France, and Croatia. I don't think there is a single right place for everyone. Each person needs to do their own checklist of requirements.
- pigeons 2y ago
  We have that in canada. And non-drill stabbings at my kindergarteners school
  - fknorangesite 2y ago
    > We have that in canada That's certainly not the norm. Where, more specifically?
    - pigeons 2y ago
      Metro Vancouver

y-c-o-m-b 2y ago

I think 26-45 might be the more realistic ideal range. Even then, if you have chronic health problems, godspeed. There's certainly more wealth available if you have the means to get it though.

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busterarm 2y ago

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bko 2y ago

Is it because people outside of 18 and 65 don't have to pay rent or a mortgage? Also one of the often touted benefits of Canada to US is the public healthcare system, but after 65 most people are on Medicare which is adequate and under 25 generally under your parents insurance. Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old.

sangnoir 2y ago
> Genuinely curious whats better under Canadian system for the young and old. The young, old, and those too unhealthy to work full-time. And to answer your question: a better social safety net, IMO. Edit: Because this topic is flamebait, I'm preemptively declaring that I'm not going to argue about my opinion. YMMV.
- dismalaf 2y ago
  There is no social safety net. Half my town burned down in a national park, including my own home. You think the Federal government did anything? You think there was any net at all? The Federal government even had the gall to refuse my 2 year old's passport renewal for example because I only paid the renewal fee, and not an additional fee for the passport getting destroyed before expiration date that was buried under 10 pages of fine print that I missed because we were homeless with a toddler. And they already had my CC# on the application anyway, but because I didn't explicitly mark down the extra fee, the application was refused. Now we've found a new home in a new town at our own expense, and we can't see a doctor. My 2 year old can't see a doctor. There's not enough doctors and practices won't take on new patients unless you go on a years-long wait list. This is our "free" healthcare. If you're dying, you can go to an emergency room and wait for 8 hours to see a doctor. If you need anything routine you're fucked if you don't have a family doctor. We had one, but our town burnt down and now it'll be years before we have one again. You know how we access healthcare? We go to Europe. We go to my wife's country of origin twice a year to visit family and get healthcare. I had a surgery there (wait in Canada was 2 years, in the EU I got it done in 2 days), our son has had all his checkups and most of his vaccines done there. This social safety net is a myth, a theory. It exists until you actually try to access it. edit - the only help we received was our insurance company, a private corporation. So what's the difference versus the US apart from our much higher taxes and lower wages?

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UncleOxidant 2y ago

My grandparents emigrated from the US to Canada in the late 80s when they were in their 60s. One of their daughters had married a Canadian decades before and she sponsored them. They loved it. They felt like they got better care up there.

cryptonector 2y ago

The meme goes that in Canada if you have an expensive healthcare need the government will offer euthanasia. Is that not true? How come euthanasia is now the fourth leading cause of death in Canada?

fknorangesite 2y ago
You shouldn't be putting so much stock in memes.
- cryptonector 2y ago
  According to Google it's 4.7% of deaths in 2024 in Canada. This story says it's the fifth leading cause of death: https://www.ncbcenter.org/messages-from-presidents/maidcanada https://www.ncbcenter.org/messages-from-presidents/maidcanad...