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> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ http

> […] ought to go through the laws and court system. The Emergencies Act is part of the laws of Canada: * https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/e-4.5/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergencies_Act And there were court orders: * https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-60356461 * 2022 ONSC 1001: https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022onsc1001.html https://www.canlii.org/en/on/onsc/doc/2022/2022onsc1001/2022... ; https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/docs/ISSUED_Order_Morawetz_FEB_11_2022_CV-22-30791.pdf https://www.attorneygeneral.jus.gov.on.ca/english/docs/ISSUE...

coldtea 2y ago
An abhorrent part, abused way out of its intended scope in a totalitarian way.
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swat535 2y ago
And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > And the court of law later determined […] And an Act-mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...
  - eli_gottlieb 2y ago
    And in the Canadian system, are appointed commissions or judicial rulings supreme and overriding over the other?
    - charlieyu1 2y ago
      In common law systems it is part of government review and is not meant to be a ruling on events already happened.
  - roenxi 2y ago
    On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.
    - selfmodruntime 2y ago
      Each political side loves laws like this until the other side gets in power.
      - snapplebobapple 2y ago
        That's the bigger picture problem with Canada (and nearly every place else). Our laws assume the government is the good guy, when they should be assuming the government is public enemy number one.
        lawld 2y ago
        The problem is seeing government as anything but people. Living in euphemistic identity. It’s the corniest of Middle Ages roleplay; man named Farmer is a farmer for life. Someone who labels themselves an accountant must be one for life! We should vote ranked choice style for economic “tent poles”. Healthcare and infrastructure, on down the list of shared concerns. That won’t happen though because the innumerate masses will be reminded that if Elon Musk and co don’t get special tax concessions a giant foot will come down from the sky and step on us all. Had Union grocery workers demand to see my prescription papers please before they’d let me continue on to the pharmacy in the grocery that operated via a different contract and was still open. I said they had to a count of 5 and then I’d drive into them. Trump and/or some random dipshit from an adjacent zip code is the enemy.
        wellthatsawrap1 2y ago
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  - rdtsc 2y ago
    That sounds a bit like "The police carefully investigated themselves and firmly established that no abuse or wrongdoing took place".
  - chmod775 2y ago
    I've read this comment multiple times and now I'm greatly confused because it does not appear to be meant humorously.
  - moralestapia 2y ago
    At some point in history it was legal to own slaves ... The law is a tool for the service of a community, not the other way around.
- threeseed 2y ago
  If you're going to talk about the law then words absolutely matter: Abusing a law is not by itself unlawful. You always need to actually do something unlawful.
- graeme 2y ago
  iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation. The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this" I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met the threshold either. There's a strong argument to be made that the law around the emergencies act is a bad law. The court's finding meant ANY emergency powers would have failed to meet the standard.
  - throwaway94721A 2y ago
    It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so. They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc. The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared. I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sight were pushed back by squads with assault rifles and loud tear gas grenades. People with assault rifles stormed delivery vans. The narrative at the time was that of a huge "far right" (what a surprise ...) conspiracy. No proof has ever emerged, it was just an abuse of power of the "left" who were at the peak of their power back then. Good riddance, Trudeau.
    - zht 2y ago
      yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957
      - nailer 2y ago
        Pissing and drunkenness a characteristics of nearly all western societies.
      - deleted 2y ago
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parthdesai 2y ago
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- agentultra 2y ago
  It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.
  - cempaka 2y ago
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    - bryanlarsen 2y ago
      The already repealed, provincial vaccine mandates they were protesting.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - threeseed 2y ago
      > address a virus that in no way constituted an emergency 100s of thousands hospitalised. 60k dead. And that is with lockdowns. Seems like an emergency to me.
      - santoshalper 2y ago
        There is a backlash against COVID actions that is happening now, is because people are terrible at math and worse at assessing risk. The idea that COVID was not a valid emergency is pure historical revisionism with no base in fact or data.
        cempaka 2y ago
        Public opinion polls consistently showed widespread overestimation of personal COVID risk across the political spectrum, and the policy response of reaching for poorly studied therapies and NPIs reflected this.
indoordin0saur 2y ago
As one of Stalin's right hand men once said: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."

coldtea 2y ago

An abhorrent part, abused way out of its intended scope in a totalitarian way.

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swat535 2y ago

And the court of law later determined that this was an abuse of power and unlawful. The fact that there is an existing law that can be abused does not negate the argument that abusing it is unlawful.

throw0101d 2y ago
> And the court of law later determined […] And an Act-mandated commission said it was warranted: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commission https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Order_Emergency_Commiss...
- eli_gottlieb 2y ago
  And in the Canadian system, are appointed commissions or judicial rulings supreme and overriding over the other?
  - charlieyu1 2y ago
    In common law systems it is part of government review and is not meant to be a ruling on events already happened.
- roenxi 2y ago
  On April 25, 2022, Prime Minister Trudeau selected Rouleau to be the commissioner of the Public Order Emergency Commission inquiry into the invocation of the Emergencies Act, which had occurred in response to the 2022 Canada convoy protest. ~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Rouleau That is one step removed from Trudeau investigating himself, we're not talking the gold standard of systemic independence here.
  - selfmodruntime 2y ago
    Each political side loves laws like this until the other side gets in power.
    - snapplebobapple 2y ago
      That's the bigger picture problem with Canada (and nearly every place else). Our laws assume the government is the good guy, when they should be assuming the government is public enemy number one.
      - lawld 2y ago
        The problem is seeing government as anything but people. Living in euphemistic identity. It’s the corniest of Middle Ages roleplay; man named Farmer is a farmer for life. Someone who labels themselves an accountant must be one for life! We should vote ranked choice style for economic “tent poles”. Healthcare and infrastructure, on down the list of shared concerns. That won’t happen though because the innumerate masses will be reminded that if Elon Musk and co don’t get special tax concessions a giant foot will come down from the sky and step on us all. Had Union grocery workers demand to see my prescription papers please before they’d let me continue on to the pharmacy in the grocery that operated via a different contract and was still open. I said they had to a count of 5 and then I’d drive into them. Trump and/or some random dipshit from an adjacent zip code is the enemy.
      - wellthatsawrap1 2y ago
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- rdtsc 2y ago
  That sounds a bit like "The police carefully investigated themselves and firmly established that no abuse or wrongdoing took place".
- chmod775 2y ago
  I've read this comment multiple times and now I'm greatly confused because it does not appear to be meant humorously.
- moralestapia 2y ago
  At some point in history it was legal to own slaves ... The law is a tool for the service of a community, not the other way around.
threeseed 2y ago
If you're going to talk about the law then words absolutely matter: Abusing a law is not by itself unlawful. You always need to actually do something unlawful.
graeme 2y ago
iirc the finding was that it was within the power of the province to handle the situation. The thing is, the province wasn't using the powers it had to handle it. The situation was obviously an emergency. You can't just let a convoy of heavy vehicles occupy your national capital indefinitely and say "not a problem, the provincial govt could theoretically handle this" I'm not sure the Quebec kidnappings would have met the threshold either. There's a strong argument to be made that the law around the emergencies act is a bad law. The court's finding meant ANY emergency powers would have failed to meet the standard.
- throwaway94721A 2y ago
  It may have been an emergency in the first days with the honking. That largely stopped after a week or so. They switched to camping in front of the parliament with bouncy castles etc. The bridge that was occupied in another province was cleared. I'm really not under the impression that at the time they went in there was any emergency. It was ugly: Peaceful unarmed protesters in pedestrian zones with no trucks in sight were pushed back by squads with assault rifles and loud tear gas grenades. People with assault rifles stormed delivery vans. The narrative at the time was that of a huge "far right" (what a surprise ...) conspiracy. No proof has ever emerged, it was just an abuse of power of the "left" who were at the peak of their power back then. Good riddance, Trudeau.
  - zht 2y ago
    yea if you ignore the public shitting, public pissing, drunkenness, the harassment of locals, then yea, it was only bouncy castles, or stuff like this https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42613957
    - nailer 2y ago
      Pissing and drunkenness a characteristics of nearly all western societies.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]

parthdesai 2y ago

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agentultra 2y ago
It's not a partisan issue. The Charter is pretty clear on the limitations placed on protests. If those truckers had dispersed within a day they would have been fine. But they were accepting donations and foreign money in order to stay encamped and had no intention of dispersing.
- cempaka 2y ago
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  - bryanlarsen 2y ago
    The already repealed, provincial vaccine mandates they were protesting.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - threeseed 2y ago
    > address a virus that in no way constituted an emergency 100s of thousands hospitalised. 60k dead. And that is with lockdowns. Seems like an emergency to me.
    - santoshalper 2y ago
      There is a backlash against COVID actions that is happening now, is because people are terrible at math and worse at assessing risk. The idea that COVID was not a valid emergency is pure historical revisionism with no base in fact or data.
      - cempaka 2y ago
        Public opinion polls consistently showed widespread overestimation of personal COVID risk across the political spectrum, and the policy response of reaching for poorly studied therapies and NPIs reflected this.

indoordin0saur 2y ago

As one of Stalin's right hand men once said: "Show me the man and I'll show you the crime."