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How can what you're saying be true if Elon Musk says we need more H1Bs because there is a labor shortage?

IntelMiner 2y ago
There's a lack of dirt cheap highly educated labor. It dovetails nicely into their desire to slash education for Americans Once we deport all the "illegal" immigrants, the MAGA folk can pick fruit in Florida while the H1B's work at Amazon for pennies on the dollar I suppose
- likeabatterycar 2y ago
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  - nrr 2y ago
    Georgia HB 87 (2011) and its unintended consequences say otherwise. While the H-2A is indeed popular, there are still a staggering number of people working these jobs who are here illegally. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/05/27/136718112/georgia-farmers-say-immigration-law-keeps-workers-away https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/05/27/136718112... https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgia... https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdown-backfires-057551 https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdow... https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/07/immigration-crackdown-2-years-later-georgia/ https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/07/immigration-...
    - orwin 2y ago
      Indeed, in my country, and despite scaremongering about boats, 95% of illegal immigrants are illegals because of visa overstay, and I'd bet the US numbers are around that.
  - hipadev23 2y ago
    There are a massive amount of overstays on H2A & H4 visas. They didn’t arrive here illegally, but their current status is very often illegal as they can’t switch jobs or extend beyond a season without a cumbersome renewal process, often which requires leaving the country for at least 3 months.
    - exe34 2y ago
      sounds like an early career Elon Musk.
- j45 2y ago
  Lower turnover too with H1Bs
- nicbou 2y ago
  The same labour shortage was all over the news in Germany. Meanwhile people were mocking the salaries and conditions offered by those industries. Immigration is only means to acquire labour at below market rate.
  - Yeul 2y ago
    Well there two reasons here in the Netherlands. Some jobs are unworthy for Dutch people. Your Dutch nationality protects you from slavery. For this there are immigrants. The second reason is that we have a lot of people doing bullshit jobs in climate controlled offices but nobody wants to do physical labour.
    - naveen99 2y ago
      Maybe they should list typical daily active calorie expenditure for job positions ? We need an uber for mixing sedentary and physical jobs.
unsnap_biceps 2y ago
Tesla laid off 14,500 folks in April 2024 and then they received 2,405 H1Bs in 2024. "Tesla workers said that many employees let go were more senior engineers with higher compensation and they have been replaced with junior engineers from foreign countries at a lower pay." https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-workers-with-foreign-workers-using-h-1b-visas-that-musk-want-to-increase/ https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-wo... One of the biggest issues with H1Bs is the fact that it reduces the employee's ability to change jobs and thus reduces their bargaining power for wages and thus depresses the wages across the board over time. That seems to be the main driving force for Musk behind the bluster around labor shortages. I've worked with a few folks on H1Bs and they've all been paid significantly less than I have in the exact same role. Less base and less RSUs.
UncleOxidant 2y ago
did you forget to put a /s at the end of that?
quantified 2y ago
Maybe because Musk mixes a lot of BS into his sayings?
- dietr1ch 2y ago
  wasn't this implied by him already? (/s)

There's a lack of dirt cheap highly educated labor. It dovetails nicely into their desire to slash education for Americans Once we deport all the "illegal" immigrants, the MAGA folk can pick fruit in Florida while the H1B's work at Amazon for pennies on the dollar I suppose

likeabatterycar 2y ago
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- nrr 2y ago
  Georgia HB 87 (2011) and its unintended consequences say otherwise. While the H-2A is indeed popular, there are still a staggering number of people working these jobs who are here illegally. https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/05/27/136718112/georgia-farmers-say-immigration-law-keeps-workers-away https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/05/27/136718112... https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgias-harsh-immigration-law-costs-millions-in-unharvested-crops/240774/ https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/06/georgia... https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdown-backfires-057551 https://www.politico.com/story/2011/06/ga-immigrant-crackdow... https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/07/immigration-crackdown-2-years-later-georgia/ https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jul/07/immigration-...
  - orwin 2y ago
    Indeed, in my country, and despite scaremongering about boats, 95% of illegal immigrants are illegals because of visa overstay, and I'd bet the US numbers are around that.
- hipadev23 2y ago
  There are a massive amount of overstays on H2A & H4 visas. They didn’t arrive here illegally, but their current status is very often illegal as they can’t switch jobs or extend beyond a season without a cumbersome renewal process, often which requires leaving the country for at least 3 months.
  - exe34 2y ago
    sounds like an early career Elon Musk.
j45 2y ago
Lower turnover too with H1Bs
nicbou 2y ago
The same labour shortage was all over the news in Germany. Meanwhile people were mocking the salaries and conditions offered by those industries. Immigration is only means to acquire labour at below market rate.
- Yeul 2y ago
  Well there two reasons here in the Netherlands. Some jobs are unworthy for Dutch people. Your Dutch nationality protects you from slavery. For this there are immigrants. The second reason is that we have a lot of people doing bullshit jobs in climate controlled offices but nobody wants to do physical labour.
  - naveen99 2y ago
    Maybe they should list typical daily active calorie expenditure for job positions ? We need an uber for mixing sedentary and physical jobs.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

Tesla laid off 14,500 folks in April 2024 and then they received 2,405 H1Bs in 2024. "Tesla workers said that many employees let go were more senior engineers with higher compensation and they have been replaced with junior engineers from foreign countries at a lower pay." https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-workers-with-foreign-workers-using-h-1b-visas-that-musk-want-to-increase/ https://electrek.co/2024/12/30/tesla-replaced-laid-off-us-wo... One of the biggest issues with H1Bs is the fact that it reduces the employee's ability to change jobs and thus reduces their bargaining power for wages and thus depresses the wages across the board over time. That seems to be the main driving force for Musk behind the bluster around labor shortages. I've worked with a few folks on H1Bs and they've all been paid significantly less than I have in the exact same role. Less base and less RSUs.

UncleOxidant 2y ago

did you forget to put a /s at the end of that?

quantified 2y ago

Maybe because Musk mixes a lot of BS into his sayings?

dietr1ch 2y ago
wasn't this implied by him already? (/s)