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It’s interesting also which platforms prefer which norms. On my Instagram, everyone is a sexy millionaire. When I had Twitter, everyone utterly hated straight,

It’s interesting also which platforms prefer which norms. On my Instagram, everyone is a sexy millionaire. When I had Twitter, everyone utterly hated straight, white men. Neither of these are an accurate representation of society.

richrichie 2y ago
Twitter as X now is very different from the heavily censored and woke cesspool it was.
lm28469 2y ago
Individualist ghettos are very well segmented either inside of social medias themselves or split between different platforms. That's why some people think the entire world is totally fine with their fringe ideas while in real life (Most people don't spend 5-10 hours on reddit/twitter/facebook discussing genders, masculinist ideas, politics, &c.) people either don't care or aren't even aware of the topics that engulfed terminally online people's mind Although I guess this is slowly changing with new generations, I've noticed more and more people spewing their social medias's "prêt a penser" out of nowhere, as if you had to chose your side on every single topic of the day. One minute your talking with your 14 year old nephew and the next he'll tell you why he supports Israel, I wish I was exaggerating but I literally went through that scenario during the Christmas holidays
redeux 2y ago
I was on Twitter from 2009 until it turned into Xitter. I never saw much of that hatred for straight, white men (e.g. me). Sure, if you went looking you could always find something to be offended about, if that’s what you desired. I never found it showing up at my doorstep though. I did see a lot of hate show up at marginalized people or had those otherwise minority representation in society. I did see a lot of people challenged for their personal beliefs that went on to claim racism and sexism, especially but not exclusively among straight white men. Nobody should suffer the indignity of discrimination for what we were born into, but people are often way too quick to dismiss ideological criticism as discrimination.
- TexanFeller 2y ago
  I went on Twitter years ago and almost exclusively followed people interested in programming language research, functional programming, and various hard sciences - tried to stay well away from the political nonsense. A year or two later many of those same people started posting as much about things like heteronormativity and trans issues as much as they did computer science. The authors I followed started talking mostly about how JK Rowling is the devil. Such discussions aren't what I was there for so I was very disappointed that everyone got sucked into the echo chamber and spent all their time talking about that instead. Twitter/X is optimized for zingers and gotcha responses about emotionally charged topics, not thoughtful and nuanced discussions about deeper topics. I think in the past it was legitimately a left wing echo chamber and now it's Elon's echo chamber.
  - seethedeaduu 2y ago
    Many people in the programming language, functional programming, and academic community in general are trans or queer themselves so it only makes sense. Especially since the hate towards trans people became more public since around 2019.
add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
There are people who hate women and people who hate men on Twitter. Which one you perceive to be an issue is more a reflection of your sensitivity.
- yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
  I really don’t care for this insinuation. I recently created a new YouTube account, and for the first few months, YT couldn’t work out if I was a Nazi or a Communist. I’m neither. You should not just assume that users are only shown ideas they already believe in. Because, that is obviously not true.
  - add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
    Right, you've been shown ideas that outrage you, (that men are bad) and not ideas that you already believe in. Because the former stimulates engagement for Twitter. Yes, there are terrible extremists on Twitter who hate men. It's our responsibility not to let that make us believe that's the literal truth of the bulk of society.
    - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
      > It's our responsibility not to let that make us believe that's the literal truth of the bulk of society. That was literally my argument. Let’s just end this here.

richrichie 2y ago

Twitter as X now is very different from the heavily censored and woke cesspool it was.

lm28469 2y ago

Individualist ghettos are very well segmented either inside of social medias themselves or split between different platforms. That's why some people think the entire world is totally fine with their fringe ideas while in real life (Most people don't spend 5-10 hours on reddit/twitter/facebook discussing genders, masculinist ideas, politics, &c.) people either don't care or aren't even aware of the topics that engulfed terminally online people's mind Although I guess this is slowly changing with new generations, I've noticed more and more people spewing their social medias's "prêt a penser" out of nowhere, as if you had to chose your side on every single topic of the day. One minute your talking with your 14 year old nephew and the next he'll tell you why he supports Israel, I wish I was exaggerating but I literally went through that scenario during the Christmas holidays

redeux 2y ago

I was on Twitter from 2009 until it turned into Xitter. I never saw much of that hatred for straight, white men (e.g. me). Sure, if you went looking you could always find something to be offended about, if that’s what you desired. I never found it showing up at my doorstep though. I did see a lot of hate show up at marginalized people or had those otherwise minority representation in society. I did see a lot of people challenged for their personal beliefs that went on to claim racism and sexism, especially but not exclusively among straight white men. Nobody should suffer the indignity of discrimination for what we were born into, but people are often way too quick to dismiss ideological criticism as discrimination.

TexanFeller 2y ago
I went on Twitter years ago and almost exclusively followed people interested in programming language research, functional programming, and various hard sciences - tried to stay well away from the political nonsense. A year or two later many of those same people started posting as much about things like heteronormativity and trans issues as much as they did computer science. The authors I followed started talking mostly about how JK Rowling is the devil. Such discussions aren't what I was there for so I was very disappointed that everyone got sucked into the echo chamber and spent all their time talking about that instead. Twitter/X is optimized for zingers and gotcha responses about emotionally charged topics, not thoughtful and nuanced discussions about deeper topics. I think in the past it was legitimately a left wing echo chamber and now it's Elon's echo chamber.
- seethedeaduu 2y ago
  Many people in the programming language, functional programming, and academic community in general are trans or queer themselves so it only makes sense. Especially since the hate towards trans people became more public since around 2019.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

There are people who hate women and people who hate men on Twitter. Which one you perceive to be an issue is more a reflection of your sensitivity.

yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
I really don’t care for this insinuation. I recently created a new YouTube account, and for the first few months, YT couldn’t work out if I was a Nazi or a Communist. I’m neither. You should not just assume that users are only shown ideas they already believe in. Because, that is obviously not true.
- add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
  Right, you've been shown ideas that outrage you, (that men are bad) and not ideas that you already believe in. Because the former stimulates engagement for Twitter. Yes, there are terrible extremists on Twitter who hate men. It's our responsibility not to let that make us believe that's the literal truth of the bulk of society.
  - yakshaving_jgt 2y ago
    > It's our responsibility not to let that make us believe that's the literal truth of the bulk of society. That was literally my argument. Let’s just end this here.