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Credibility that the paranoia exists or credibility of the readers being used for those purposes by the Trump administration? Yes to the first, LOL WTF? to the

Credibility that the paranoia exists or credibility of the readers being used for those purposes by the Trump administration? Yes to the first, LOL WTF? to the second. Trump admin doesn't care one tiny bit about abortions. Although some of his supporters might, they aren't really going to be in power.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
Would municipal traffic cameras be of any use to an illegal immigrant round-up?
- mythrwy 2y ago
  Probably if they were actually going to do much of that. My prediction is a big show, lots of tough talk for the xenophobes in the base, some criminals and egregious public assistance cases get gone, a few raids on Tyson Foods (or whoever doesn't contribute or support the administration) and not much more. Amnesty pretty quick by this admin or the next. They want the working people here too. More tax base, more "motivated" workers.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Probably if they were actually going to do much of that I guess I’m struggling to imagine the utility of those cameras for tracing abortion-provider visitors and illegal immigrants versus all the other federal surveillance infrastructure.
    - toomuchtodo 2y ago
      My citations are for data brokers, but ALPR databases that are constantly updating from field sensors, and with porous data security and governance, they should not be dismissed. This is a commercial surveillance dragnet system, full stop. They aren't weapons until they suddenly are (shades of Salt Typhoon). There is precedence for the misuse of license plate data by law enforcement and adjacent private sector orgs. https://epic.org/data-broker-helped-anti-abortion-group-target-planned-parenthood-visitors-wyden-letter-reveals/ https://epic.org/data-broker-helped-anti-abortion-group-targ... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/location-data-tracks-abortion-clinic-visits-heres-what-know https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/location-data-tracks-a... https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/567b4c71-b702-47d7-a59c-1e42f39b065a/immigration-and-data-purchases.pdf https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/567b4c71-b702-47d7-a59c-... https://americandragnet.org/ https://americandragnet.org/ https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        Thanks, this is what I was looking for.
        toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Always happy to help.
    - mythrwy 2y ago
      That too. I just don't track this kind of reasoning and also think people fundamentally misunderstand what is going to happen under a Trump administration. It won't be about forced social conservatism so much as it will be about money.
- LinuxBender 2y ago
  Probably not required. Many of them were given debit cards and that's easier to track where a person was and will be again.
hooverd 2y ago
Re point two. The Trump admin is stacked with Heritage Foundation apparatchiks and Trump himself will sign anything put in front of him and presented nicely.
- ErikBjare 2y ago
  Is it really? Who are the apparatchiks?

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

Would municipal traffic cameras be of any use to an illegal immigrant round-up?

mythrwy 2y ago
Probably if they were actually going to do much of that. My prediction is a big show, lots of tough talk for the xenophobes in the base, some criminals and egregious public assistance cases get gone, a few raids on Tyson Foods (or whoever doesn't contribute or support the administration) and not much more. Amnesty pretty quick by this admin or the next. They want the working people here too. More tax base, more "motivated" workers.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Probably if they were actually going to do much of that I guess I’m struggling to imagine the utility of those cameras for tracing abortion-provider visitors and illegal immigrants versus all the other federal surveillance infrastructure.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    My citations are for data brokers, but ALPR databases that are constantly updating from field sensors, and with porous data security and governance, they should not be dismissed. This is a commercial surveillance dragnet system, full stop. They aren't weapons until they suddenly are (shades of Salt Typhoon). There is precedence for the misuse of license plate data by law enforcement and adjacent private sector orgs. https://epic.org/data-broker-helped-anti-abortion-group-target-planned-parenthood-visitors-wyden-letter-reveals/ https://epic.org/data-broker-helped-anti-abortion-group-targ... https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/location-data-tracks-abortion-clinic-visits-heres-what-know https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2024/03/location-data-tracks-a... https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/567b4c71-b702-47d7-a59c-1e42f39b065a/immigration-and-data-purchases.pdf https://www.nacdl.org/getattachment/567b4c71-b702-47d7-a59c-... https://americandragnet.org/ https://americandragnet.org/ https://deflock.me/ https://deflock.me/
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      Thanks, this is what I was looking for.
      - toomuchtodo 2y ago
        Always happy to help.
  - mythrwy 2y ago
    That too. I just don't track this kind of reasoning and also think people fundamentally misunderstand what is going to happen under a Trump administration. It won't be about forced social conservatism so much as it will be about money.
LinuxBender 2y ago
Probably not required. Many of them were given debit cards and that's easier to track where a person was and will be again.

hooverd 2y ago

Re point two. The Trump admin is stacked with Heritage Foundation apparatchiks and Trump himself will sign anything put in front of him and presented nicely.

ErikBjare 2y ago
Is it really? Who are the apparatchiks?