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A big factor in the OKC, J6, and militia movement and White nationalist violence more generally is that the law enforcement community in the US has very signifi

A big factor in the OKC, J6, and militia movement and White nationalist violence more generally is that the law enforcement community in the US has very significant overlap with the militia and White nationalist movements, impacting how seriously they are treated by law enforcement, and how seriously they are treated by journalists who rely on experts from within the law enforcement community (both current officers and private experts that are the same people relied on as outside experts by law enforcement and are usually ex-law enforcement) for their understanding of the issues.

josh_frome 2y ago
“Some of those that work forces…” indeed.
sitkack 2y ago
If BLM had attempted what J6 actually did, it would have made Kent State look like a Simpson's episode.
- LudwigNagasena 2y ago
  Seattle allowed BLM protesters to establish their own “autonomous zone” and ignored it until enough kids were killed.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > ignored it until enough kids were killed From overdoses, right? Sort of different from terrorism in many meaningful ways.
    - lazyasciiart 2y ago
      No, shooting. I don’t think it was a meaningfully different rate than other weeks in Capitol Hill, but firefighters failing to render first aid certainly didn’t help that one kid who was dying a couple hundred yards from a fire station. (The crowd wouldn’t let a police car through, and it turns out the firefighters wouldn’t approach until the police were there and said it was safe).
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > firefighters failing to render first aid certainly didn’t help that one kid who was dying a couple hundred yards from a fire station Still not terrorism. Left-wing militias are a problem in some parts of the world. They aren’t in America. Our domestic terrorism comes almost exclusively from radical Islam and right-wing nutjobs. (Who, somewhat hilariously, see eye to eye on more than they realise.)
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        roenxi 2y ago
        I suspect you're classifying the Trump assassins as right-wing nutjobs though (they weren't Islamists), which dilutes the position somewhat. What does right-wing even mean to you if it covers people trying to gun Trump down?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > suspect you're classifying the Trump assassins as right-wing nutjobs No. Of course we've had left-wing terrorism. It's just not been as prevalent, organised or present as the right-wing form. (And I'm aware of zero currently-operating left-wing militias anyone considers a threat in America.)
        wat10000 2y ago
        His views aren’t particularly clear, but the would-be Trump assassin does seem to have been a right-wing nutjob. I don’t see why being a right-wing nutjob would require being a Trump supporter, it just happens that most of them are at the moment.
        tekknik 2y ago
        it’s interesting to me the tactics the left employs to make themselves feel better. the entire nation near about said they dislike the lefts policies and yet some still act confused and resort to childish tactics to resolve their inner conflict.
    - derektank 2y ago
      There were 5 shootings resulting in 3 deaths over a period of 9 days (20-29 June). CHAZ/CHOP existed for a period of 23 days (8 June - 1 July). There were 33 homicides in the entire city of Seattle in 2019. No matter how you slice it, there was definitely an increase in the murder rate around the protests, potentially much higher. And a piece with the increase in homicides, Mayor Durkan reported that SPD had received a 525% increase in reported crimes in the area when compared to the previous June. Obviously not all of the crime was committed by protestors, but the protestors were the ones that drove out the police presence and the city tolerated the situation created by the protestors for nearly a month. Regardless of whether the situation is best described as domestic terrorism or not, it's clear that public officials were willing to tolerate violence enabled by left wing protestors "letting off steam" too.
  - roenxi 2y ago
    You should have included a link to be unambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest It was quite a spectacle.
  - diggan 2y ago
    > Seattle allowed BLM protesters to establish their own “autonomous zone” and ignored it until enough kids were killed. I do feel like "reclaiming a public street" is slightly different from "attempted coup d'état" though.

josh_frome 2y ago

“Some of those that work forces…” indeed.

sitkack 2y ago

If BLM had attempted what J6 actually did, it would have made Kent State look like a Simpson's episode.

LudwigNagasena 2y ago
Seattle allowed BLM protesters to establish their own “autonomous zone” and ignored it until enough kids were killed.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > ignored it until enough kids were killed From overdoses, right? Sort of different from terrorism in many meaningful ways.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    No, shooting. I don’t think it was a meaningfully different rate than other weeks in Capitol Hill, but firefighters failing to render first aid certainly didn’t help that one kid who was dying a couple hundred yards from a fire station. (The crowd wouldn’t let a police car through, and it turns out the firefighters wouldn’t approach until the police were there and said it was safe).
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > firefighters failing to render first aid certainly didn’t help that one kid who was dying a couple hundred yards from a fire station Still not terrorism. Left-wing militias are a problem in some parts of the world. They aren’t in America. Our domestic terrorism comes almost exclusively from radical Islam and right-wing nutjobs. (Who, somewhat hilariously, see eye to eye on more than they realise.)
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      - roenxi 2y ago
        I suspect you're classifying the Trump assassins as right-wing nutjobs though (they weren't Islamists), which dilutes the position somewhat. What does right-wing even mean to you if it covers people trying to gun Trump down?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > suspect you're classifying the Trump assassins as right-wing nutjobs No. Of course we've had left-wing terrorism. It's just not been as prevalent, organised or present as the right-wing form. (And I'm aware of zero currently-operating left-wing militias anyone considers a threat in America.)
        wat10000 2y ago
        His views aren’t particularly clear, but the would-be Trump assassin does seem to have been a right-wing nutjob. I don’t see why being a right-wing nutjob would require being a Trump supporter, it just happens that most of them are at the moment.
        tekknik 2y ago
        it’s interesting to me the tactics the left employs to make themselves feel better. the entire nation near about said they dislike the lefts policies and yet some still act confused and resort to childish tactics to resolve their inner conflict.
  - derektank 2y ago
    There were 5 shootings resulting in 3 deaths over a period of 9 days (20-29 June). CHAZ/CHOP existed for a period of 23 days (8 June - 1 July). There were 33 homicides in the entire city of Seattle in 2019. No matter how you slice it, there was definitely an increase in the murder rate around the protests, potentially much higher. And a piece with the increase in homicides, Mayor Durkan reported that SPD had received a 525% increase in reported crimes in the area when compared to the previous June. Obviously not all of the crime was committed by protestors, but the protestors were the ones that drove out the police presence and the city tolerated the situation created by the protestors for nearly a month. Regardless of whether the situation is best described as domestic terrorism or not, it's clear that public officials were willing to tolerate violence enabled by left wing protestors "letting off steam" too.
- roenxi 2y ago
  You should have included a link to be unambiguous: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Occupied_Protest It was quite a spectacle.
- diggan 2y ago
  > Seattle allowed BLM protesters to establish their own “autonomous zone” and ignored it until enough kids were killed. I do feel like "reclaiming a public street" is slightly different from "attempted coup d'état" though.