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That’s not the full context of what is in the article. The full sentence is: > Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the

That’s not the full context of what is in the article. The full sentence is: > Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates, though a housing crunch has frayed that consensus of late. Far from sounding ignorant, the author sounds well-informed.

boringg 2y ago
Last I checked immigration isn't doing to well in the EU either.
seanmcdirmid 2y ago
“Frayed” is an understatement though: Canada has swung clearly in the anti-immigration camp over the last 4 or so years, maybe longer? It is to the point that Trump might actually be popular in Canada now just because of anti immigration sentiment alone.
- roncesvalles 2y ago
  Online, hate appears far more amplified than it is in the outside world. In the real world, yes there are places teeming with immigrants and international students, but you drive a block and turn a corner, and "it's Canada again". You lose that nuance in the online world where all you see is 10 seconds of a 120 degree window into some parking lot somewhere where immigrants happened to have gathered. If you watch a video of the Embarcadero in SF on a Sunday, you're gonna think no one actually lives in SF, there's only tourists.
  - OccamsMirror 2y ago
    I think you'll find it's the very real housing crisis that is causing the anti-immigration sentiment.
  - bawolff 2y ago
    Polls suggest 58% of canadians want less immigrants. That is up by 17% in 2 years. Those numbers are quite concerning. https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details/canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-and-refugees---fall-2024 https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details... However i don't think its because people hate immigrants. I think its because conservatives managed to link it to the housing crisis, which is something canadians care a lot about, and neither liberals or ndp have had an effective come back to that.
bawolff 2y ago
Umm no? There is (sadly) a significant anti-immigration backlash right now in canada. Its a core election issue and one of the main reasons trudeau is likely going to lose the next election.
- cman1444 2y ago
  Did you mean to respond to the parent comment? The comment you're responding to gives credit to the author for acknowledging recent anti-immigration sentiment in Canada.
  - bawolff 2y ago
    No, i responded to the comment i meant to. I don't think "frayed" is an accurate assesment given the liberal polling numbers are in the toilet and this seems to be the election issue causing that.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  It is sad because the government knew and failed to act on 5x-ing the rate of housing production to keep up with new arrivals. Failing to do so has screwed over so many people due to housing costs that went up due to mass migration. This was all predicted though if that makes anyone feel better.
  - remarkEon 2y ago
    Housing isn't the only thing that "solves" immigration issues. The immigrants have to, you know, assimilate. For whatever reason this step has been deleted from the usual policy matrix, and as a result we've been running a great experiment over the last 20+ years in Canada, Europe, and the US.
    - bawolff 2y ago
      I personally don't believe lack of assimilation is a siginificant driver of anti-immigrant sentiment in canada at present.
jokethrowaway 2y ago
Canada is certainly not this example. Immigration is a big issue. The only place where immigration worked I can think of was the USA, in the old times. The recipe for successful immigration is very simple: no benefits, import only people with some money and with skilled jobs qualifications, hard stance against illegal immigration. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.

boringg 2y ago

Last I checked immigration isn't doing to well in the EU either.

seanmcdirmid 2y ago

“Frayed” is an understatement though: Canada has swung clearly in the anti-immigration camp over the last 4 or so years, maybe longer? It is to the point that Trump might actually be popular in Canada now just because of anti immigration sentiment alone.

roncesvalles 2y ago
Online, hate appears far more amplified than it is in the outside world. In the real world, yes there are places teeming with immigrants and international students, but you drive a block and turn a corner, and "it's Canada again". You lose that nuance in the online world where all you see is 10 seconds of a 120 degree window into some parking lot somewhere where immigrants happened to have gathered. If you watch a video of the Embarcadero in SF on a Sunday, you're gonna think no one actually lives in SF, there's only tourists.
- OccamsMirror 2y ago
  I think you'll find it's the very real housing crisis that is causing the anti-immigration sentiment.
- bawolff 2y ago
  Polls suggest 58% of canadians want less immigrants. That is up by 17% in 2 years. Those numbers are quite concerning. https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details/canadian-public-opinion-about-immigration-and-refugees---fall-2024 https://www.environicsinstitute.org/projects/project-details... However i don't think its because people hate immigrants. I think its because conservatives managed to link it to the housing crisis, which is something canadians care a lot about, and neither liberals or ndp have had an effective come back to that.

bawolff 2y ago

Umm no? There is (sadly) a significant anti-immigration backlash right now in canada. Its a core election issue and one of the main reasons trudeau is likely going to lose the next election.

cman1444 2y ago
Did you mean to respond to the parent comment? The comment you're responding to gives credit to the author for acknowledging recent anti-immigration sentiment in Canada.
- bawolff 2y ago
  No, i responded to the comment i meant to. I don't think "frayed" is an accurate assesment given the liberal polling numbers are in the toilet and this seems to be the election issue causing that.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
It is sad because the government knew and failed to act on 5x-ing the rate of housing production to keep up with new arrivals. Failing to do so has screwed over so many people due to housing costs that went up due to mass migration. This was all predicted though if that makes anyone feel better.
- remarkEon 2y ago
  Housing isn't the only thing that "solves" immigration issues. The immigrants have to, you know, assimilate. For whatever reason this step has been deleted from the usual policy matrix, and as a result we've been running a great experiment over the last 20+ years in Canada, Europe, and the US.
  - bawolff 2y ago
    I personally don't believe lack of assimilation is a siginificant driver of anti-immigrant sentiment in canada at present.

jokethrowaway 2y ago

Canada is certainly not this example. Immigration is a big issue. The only place where immigration worked I can think of was the USA, in the old times. The recipe for successful immigration is very simple: no benefits, import only people with some money and with skilled jobs qualifications, hard stance against illegal immigration. Anything else is a recipe for disaster.