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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.
by ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.
- dietr1ch 2y agoThere's a certain amount of people that can adapt to a place, but if too many people of common culture comes in they just hijack the place. In Canada it seems to me they didn't establish the limit properly and people also worked around it by moving within Canada disregarding the agreement that they'd stay in a certain zone that still had some slack of people they could integrate.
- sneak 2y agoHijacking deprives someone else of their rights. Living differently than your neighbor doesn’t change anything for your neighbor. Nothing is “hijacked”.
- yhg56fgniyfv 2y agoIf all your neighbors no longer spoke English, you don't think that would affect you? Obviously that's an extreme example, but other cultural differences will affect you as well.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoIf they all spoke a common language, I'd try to learn a bit of it. How exciting!
- AlexandrB 2y agoIt's also exciting to experience ethnic clashes between rival groups of immigrants[1]. [1] https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/11/03/violence-at-hindu-temple-in-brampton/ https://toronto.citynews.ca/2024/11/03/violence-at-hindu-tem...
- remarkEon 2y ago"Wow all these Goths have moved into my town, but they don't speak Latin, they speak Gothic. How exiting!" - Anonymous Roman Citizen, 412 AD
- dietr1ch 2y agoIt can be a really cool thing too if both cultures open each other to exchange languages and celebrations, but it requires a lot of effort from everyone.
- sneak 2y agoNo, I don’t. This is already the case in many neighborhoods in the USA and the sky isn’t falling in those places. Also, I live in Germany half of the year, and there most of my neighbors don’t speak any English, and my neighborhood is fine. I don’t see the problem you are describing with your example. If that’s your “extreme” example, I am curious what your day-to-day ones would be. Perhaps it’s uncharitable but I am having a hard time seeing how this doesn’t alias to simple racism.
- yhg56fgniyfv 2y agoI didn't claim the "sky would fall". I just claimed it would affect you. I think most would agree that it is easier to form connections with those who are more similar to oneself. Call it racism or tribalism if you want, but that's reality.
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- dietr1ch 2y agoI think it hijacks the local culture, there's probably a better word, but I'm no native.
- swat535 2y agoIt's mind boggling you are denying the fact that having many people from the same group clustered in a "multicultural" environment has no impact on society has a whole. Of course it does, this is why we have laws protecting minorities, it's irrelevant how the majority is established (either per-existing or minority suddenly growing), the impact may be positive but it's naive to assume it will always be so.
- xen2xen1 2y agoI've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.
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- triyambakam 2y agoThis seems like whataboutism. The treatment of Native Americans isn't really similar to modern voluntary immigration and integration.
- sneak 2y agoSounds like the integration might be at effective gunpoint (threat of deportation) and not entirely voluntary.
- influx 2y agoI suspect they would have preferred to prevent immigration entirely, though I cannot speak on their behalf.
- marcusverus 2y agoOf course they do, but you'll never hear about them. Opinions are given weight by numbers, not abstract ideas like when your ancestors arrived. How do you think they look back on their forebears, who failed to preserve and pass on their birthright?
- nemo44x 2y ago> Diversity is wonderful Why? You literally say on your very next sentence that it’s not - that diversity must be destroyed through integration and a melting pot. Diversity and immigration always has a cost and that’s the destruction of your existing culture in part. Sometimes that tradeoff is worth it. But you can’t overdo it. And getting pissed at the people that don’t integrate is barking up the wrong tree. They never agreed to that and they should be left alone to live their lives. We should go after the people that allowed this to happen.
- analog31 2y agoSource? This sounds like a propaganda position. We hear it in the US too. It's a typical Republican strategy to take an area where they can't formulate a coherent economic or policy agenda, and turn it into a social issue. Instead of stealing our jobs, the immigrants are now stealing our cats.
- dr_dshiv 2y agoIdk the Amish are pretty chill for not integrating. And if immigrants come and integrate into existing gang culture, would you actually be happy? I think it is ok to just say “we don’t want poor immigrants. We want immigrants with something to offer.”
- cmrdporcupine 2y agoWe don't really let "poor" immigrants into Canada. The system here attempts to cherry-pick in people based on a whole points system, with "I have money to buy a house" and "I have a $$ profession" being being points contributors. We actually have the opposite problem, to some degree. Acquiring more skilled talent from abroad has depressed skilled labour compensation here. And acquiring people from abroad with $$ to invest in the property market has led to ridiculously high housing price inflation.
- dr_dshiv 2y agoCurious how others on this thread experience this. It’s different from anti immigration sentiment in EU & USA then?
- titanomachy 2y agoI actually think the comment you're replying to is somewhat mistaken. It's true that the majority of Canadian immigrants do have to compete on education, job prospects, language skills, etc.; but there's a sizable chunk who are admitted for humanitarian or family reunification reasons and are not held to that standard. There are also a lot of people on temporary work and student visas. I think these groups are the source of a lot of the animosity. Here's an official government source which says that ~40% of immigrants in 2023 are not in the "middle-income range or above", i.e. they are low-income. [1] The same source says that 75k out of the 450k admitted were refugees. [1] https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/annual-report-parliament-immigration-2024.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co...
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- aprilthird2021 2y agoThis isn't the true problem. The old and new immigrants aren't even really that different. They are mostly from India like they were for the past 15-ish years and more. The real true difference is that the economy and job market flipped, and now there are layoffs, fierce job competition, and inflation. That type of environment makes people generally jealous and angry at others, and so there is a new focus on immigrants (when they probably haven't changed themselves much, I mean why would they?)
- 3vidence 2y agoLike you just have to look at the distribution of immigration across different countries in the past 10 years to see that this isn't correct. It was not the norm that 60% of all immigration was from a single country... Additionally immigration has objectively increased at a time of large unemployment which used to not be allowed until the current government lifted the restriction on 6% unemployment. You can have a mixture of opinions but we gotta stick to the facts first
- aprilthird2021 2y agoIt is not 60% from a single country, and it's not been that rapid of a change. Here's the stats for you: https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/12-581-x/2023001/sec2-eng.htm https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/pub/12-581-x/2023001/sec2-en... Asian origin (all of Asia including China and India) has been the dominant origin for immigration to Canada since 2006, and it has only changed from ~40% to ~50% since then. India alone accounted for 27% of immigrants admitted to Canada on a temporary basis in 2022: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/transparency/committees/cimm-feb-28-2024/india.html https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/co... Now we can stick to the facts? Will you accept the facts or no?
- Neonlicht 2y agoYes this is where I split from my fellow leftists. I will not allow a parallel society to exist. The daughters of Indian parents will be granted the same rights as those of Western parents. There will be no dowries and no caste system.
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- foxglacier 2y agoI'm pretty sure typical leftists don't want castes and dowries. They might seem to want them by saying "let people practice their own culture" but that's just because they haven't specifically thought about those practices.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago"they haven't specifically thought about those practices." Kind of the whole issue, isn't it?
- FpUser 2y ago>"That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians." They came here for better life. Nothing is wrong with that. Country can use it to its advantage or fuck it up.
- __turbobrew__ 2y agoThe anecdote I have heard is that the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic. I do notice when I travel to the USA that people seem much more integrated and buy into the USA culture and lifestyle. Here in Canada you just get a bunch of mini communities who do not integrate.
- bombcar 2y agoUSA used to be quite a bit more mosaic before the advent of national television. Most of that’s left of that is place names and weird foods in some areas.
- roncesvalles 2y ago>the USA is a melting pot and Canada is a mosaic Although that's what they teach us in Canadian schools, in my experience it's the opposite. Ghettos and enclaves aren't really a thing in Canada like they are in the US. There are some remarkably insular subcultures within the US like Latinos, Hasidic Jews, the Chinese (in some places), Amish and variants, Indians in certain towns like Edison, Black people in certain cities, to a degree that exists nowhere in Canada (and no, Brampton doesn't compare). Subcultures in general are just not a thing in Canada, it's very much a monoculture.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y agoIt was relevant when people from all over the world came to Canada instead of from one province in India
- roncesvalles 2y agoI think most of them will integrate eventually; their children will, most certainly. Everybody integrates, that's the Canadian way.
- swat535 2y agoWhy would that be the case?
- roncesvalles 2y agoIntegration is a 1st generation immigrant problem. I don't think that 2nd gen Indians (let's be honest, that's what you're referring to) have any problems integrating into Canadian culture. In fact I've noticed they integrate better than most other immigrant groups. They tend to identify with both urban and suburban culture, and aren't overly religious.
- int_19h 2y agoIn BC, at least, it felt like the most culturally integrated immigrant group were the Chinese.