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Mars Exploration: How the CIA's Project Stargate Went to Mars [pdf]

25 points by kimi 2y ago

kimi 2y ago
For context: this is a transcript from a remote viewing session, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
- neilv 2y ago
  For anyone who doesn't know, there later was a popular "Stargate" military sci-fi TV and movie franchise. Since we're talking about secret military and CIA projects, a fun thing that the "Stargate SG-1" TV series (about a secret military project) did at one point was to have a plot arc around a conspiracy theorist character, who was going to expose the project. So, to placate the conspiracy theorist, and discredit public chatter that was getting too close to the truth, the military in the TV series... commissioned a cheesy military sci-fi TV series, based on the truth of the actual military sci-fi TV series. "Wormhole X-treme": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Vf_x4Dc4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Vf_x4Dc4 They even did a faux behind-the-scenes piece for it, within the TV series universe (which then broke the fourth wall, to reference the entire real-world franchise): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0hW0A43n3Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0hW0A43n3Y
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    And here's a website that is dedicated to continuing some of the coordinate remove viewing legacy of project Center Lane: https://centerlane-rv.org/ https://centerlane-rv.org/ In addition, there's a remote viewing subreddit which holds regular practices and encourages you to post results: https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing And IRVA (intl. association) has a pretty good scientific bibliography if that floats your boat: https://www.irva.org/library/bibliography https://www.irva.org/library/bibliography
- amyfp214 2y ago
  there's also a nice movie & book called "Men Who Stare at Goats" - a reference to the fact that they tried to kill goats with their mind as a weapon. Haven't read the book, but have seen the movie docudrama(?) starring george clooney and that guy from star wars and big fish, it's not bad, taps into some of the hippie energy of the whole thing
  - keepamovin 2y ago
    I wonder how much reality it bears to the whole thing that actually happened a part of which is the subject of this post and discussion? The movie probably does not bear much similarity at all hahaha!
neilv 2y ago
Sounds like whoever spoke or wrote that text was a science fiction buff.
- kimi 2y ago
  The whole thing was (and is) highly controversial; Stargate claimed a bit of successes as well as many failures.
  - seanw444 2y ago
    It's notable that the DIA/CIA only pursued remote viewing as seriously as they did because the amount of "correct guesses" the remote viewers were making were well above random chance.
    - neilv 2y ago
      According to people whose funding or careers depended on the program showing promise/success?
      - keepamovin 2y ago
        When that success and funding could only be guaranteed by delivering accurate intel product to government customers at a variety of agencies?
        neilv 2y ago
        Is that what happened? And if intel from the magical box program was deemed correct, who determined that, and how do we know it wasn't parallel construction to improve the program's credibility, or even a tool to fabricate intel to influence a decision. (For example of the latter: "Mr. President, Black Toaster confirms the target location, but we'd have to deploy within the hour, on your order"?)
        keepamovin 2y ago
orwin 2y ago
Stargate was a CIA project that explored parasciences: telepathy, twin telepathy, astral projection and remote viewing. It was scrapped in 93 after 25 years of not showing anything, despite some parasciences 'professionals' who participated claiming it did. The CIA declassified all information, and while the 70s documents show clear interest and weird results, reading it in chronological order is very interesting as you can feel desillusions set in as experimental protocols hardens and results prove irreproducible.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Hahaha! Omg, this comment above is the unhinged fantasy version, a surprisingly common misrepresentation. Impressive how you condensed so much misinformation into only a couple of sentences - I guess you had to try. Do you often foreclose your curiosity with invented fantasies? It was not a "CIA project" - it was a US Army unit; the name "STAR GATE" is merely the final public program name for a bunch of related programs; collectively, their intelligence missions served government customers including the special forces, CIA, NSA, DIA, NRO, etc. - They didn't "declassify everything", there's lots of redactions and more documents; - it wasn't "scrapped after not showing anything despite some participants claiming it did", RV has a very high success rate (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42584264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42584264), and Stargate became an unacknowledged program - these are facts despite some unhinged internet commenters seemingly having an issue with it; and - "reading it in chronological order" - you don't see disillusion or non-reproducible results, you see 25 years in a row of renewed funding on the back of quality intelligence product continued being ordered by government customers. I wonder, with all the ways you went wrong, did you have to try very hard to make that up? It also didn't "explore parasciences: telepathy, twin telepathy" as if that was the main thing - Stargate mostly researched, developed and practiced remote viewing. Which you can try too, which probably would be a good idea, so maybe you come up with more accurate stuff than you did here. Head to https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing/ https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing/ and learn something before you talk next time. Good idea, right? Hahaha!
seanw444 2y ago
If anyone is interested in hearing from some of the members of the Stargate program (mainly remote viewers) themselves, the Shawn Ryan Show podcast has several of them. The interviews are fairly well done in my opinion.
- keepamovin 2y ago
  Yeah I thought they were pretty good as well. Joe McMoneagle #95, Skip Atwater #154, Edwin May #122, Angela Ford #145, Col John Alexander #96

25 points by kimi 2y ago

kimi 2y ago

For context: this is a transcript from a remote viewing session, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project

neilv 2y ago
For anyone who doesn't know, there later was a popular "Stargate" military sci-fi TV and movie franchise. Since we're talking about secret military and CIA projects, a fun thing that the "Stargate SG-1" TV series (about a secret military project) did at one point was to have a plot arc around a conspiracy theorist character, who was going to expose the project. So, to placate the conspiracy theorist, and discredit public chatter that was getting too close to the truth, the military in the TV series... commissioned a cheesy military sci-fi TV series, based on the truth of the actual military sci-fi TV series. "Wormhole X-treme": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Vf_x4Dc4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT-Vf_x4Dc4 They even did a faux behind-the-scenes piece for it, within the TV series universe (which then broke the fourth wall, to reference the entire real-world franchise): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0hW0A43n3Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0hW0A43n3Y
- keepamovin 2y ago
  And here's a website that is dedicated to continuing some of the coordinate remove viewing legacy of project Center Lane: https://centerlane-rv.org/ https://centerlane-rv.org/ In addition, there's a remote viewing subreddit which holds regular practices and encourages you to post results: https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing And IRVA (intl. association) has a pretty good scientific bibliography if that floats your boat: https://www.irva.org/library/bibliography https://www.irva.org/library/bibliography
amyfp214 2y ago
there's also a nice movie & book called "Men Who Stare at Goats" - a reference to the fact that they tried to kill goats with their mind as a weapon. Haven't read the book, but have seen the movie docudrama(?) starring george clooney and that guy from star wars and big fish, it's not bad, taps into some of the hippie energy of the whole thing
- keepamovin 2y ago
  I wonder how much reality it bears to the whole thing that actually happened a part of which is the subject of this post and discussion? The movie probably does not bear much similarity at all hahaha!

neilv 2y ago

Sounds like whoever spoke or wrote that text was a science fiction buff.

kimi 2y ago
The whole thing was (and is) highly controversial; Stargate claimed a bit of successes as well as many failures.
- seanw444 2y ago
  It's notable that the DIA/CIA only pursued remote viewing as seriously as they did because the amount of "correct guesses" the remote viewers were making were well above random chance.
  - neilv 2y ago
    According to people whose funding or careers depended on the program showing promise/success?
    - keepamovin 2y ago
      When that success and funding could only be guaranteed by delivering accurate intel product to government customers at a variety of agencies?
      - neilv 2y ago
        Is that what happened? And if intel from the magical box program was deemed correct, who determined that, and how do we know it wasn't parallel construction to improve the program's credibility, or even a tool to fabricate intel to influence a decision. (For example of the latter: "Mr. President, Black Toaster confirms the target location, but we'd have to deploy within the hour, on your order"?)
        keepamovin 2y ago

orwin 2y ago

Stargate was a CIA project that explored parasciences: telepathy, twin telepathy, astral projection and remote viewing. It was scrapped in 93 after 25 years of not showing anything, despite some parasciences 'professionals' who participated claiming it did. The CIA declassified all information, and while the 70s documents show clear interest and weird results, reading it in chronological order is very interesting as you can feel desillusions set in as experimental protocols hardens and results prove irreproducible.

keepamovin 2y ago
Hahaha! Omg, this comment above is the unhinged fantasy version, a surprisingly common misrepresentation. Impressive how you condensed so much misinformation into only a couple of sentences - I guess you had to try. Do you often foreclose your curiosity with invented fantasies? It was not a "CIA project" - it was a US Army unit; the name "STAR GATE" is merely the final public program name for a bunch of related programs; collectively, their intelligence missions served government customers including the special forces, CIA, NSA, DIA, NRO, etc. - They didn't "declassify everything", there's lots of redactions and more documents; - it wasn't "scrapped after not showing anything despite some participants claiming it did", RV has a very high success rate (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42584264 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42584264), and Stargate became an unacknowledged program - these are facts despite some unhinged internet commenters seemingly having an issue with it; and - "reading it in chronological order" - you don't see disillusion or non-reproducible results, you see 25 years in a row of renewed funding on the back of quality intelligence product continued being ordered by government customers. I wonder, with all the ways you went wrong, did you have to try very hard to make that up? It also didn't "explore parasciences: telepathy, twin telepathy" as if that was the main thing - Stargate mostly researched, developed and practiced remote viewing. Which you can try too, which probably would be a good idea, so maybe you come up with more accurate stuff than you did here. Head to https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing/ https://reddit.com/r/remoteviewing/ and learn something before you talk next time. Good idea, right? Hahaha!

seanw444 2y ago

If anyone is interested in hearing from some of the members of the Stargate program (mainly remote viewers) themselves, the Shawn Ryan Show podcast has several of them. The interviews are fairly well done in my opinion.

keepamovin 2y ago
Yeah I thought they were pretty good as well. Joe McMoneagle #95, Skip Atwater #154, Edwin May #122, Angela Ford #145, Col John Alexander #96