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This all sounds like renting to me. Instead you should: - put a rack in your home - buy an IPv4 block - buy dark fibre - start your own ISP - adverti
by xyzzy_plugh 2y ago
This all sounds like renting to me. Instead you should:
- put a rack in your home
- buy an IPv4 block
- buy dark fibre
- start your own ISP
- advertise routes over BGP
- host your own email
- found a registrar and transfer your domains over
All easily obtainable for less than a million dollars in capital. Though once your FTTH and undersea cable operations ramp up you'll need further access to capital.
- greenavocado 2y agoIt's all fun and games until you need to deal with the right of way
- dend 2y agoYou forgot the steps of pressing your own silicon wafers in the garage, followed by soldering motherboards from zero, and of course, having a steel mill to build racks and computer cases. The only way to ensure true independence. In all seriousness, I am a big advocate for hosting your own infrastructure as much as you can, but that requires you to be REALLY into doing it. Otherwise, it's just a completely unnecessary chore.
- softwaredoug 2y agoDon’t forget creating a society capable of supporting industry and science. On a planet producing enough of the raw materials. In a Universe with appropriate fundamental physical constants etc etc.
- The_Blade 2y agoIf you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.
- xyzzy_plugh 2y agoNo, that comes far later, after energy self-sufficiency, at which point your operational expenses can be minimized. Then we can start talking about going fully vertical to reduce our supply chain dependencies. If you're concerned about silicon dependencies, I'd recommend starting with some real estate purchases (mines) and forming a Special Economic Zone first, though. Remember this is about being an owner and not a renter. The only restriction is our recurring costs, but we have unlimited room upfront, like a Lincoln.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoFocusing the wrong problem. You'll also need to own everything that being a part of a nation state provides you, including markets and defense. If you can't do that, you can't live truly rent-free.
- naming_the_user 2y agoStep 1: Simply create your own Starlink.
- sdwr 2y agoTo host a raspberry pi from scratch, you must first create the internet
- thfuran 2y agoStep 1 is always "Create the universe".
- drewcoo 2y agoAlice: I have an urge. Bob: Oh yeah? I have a demiurge! Alice: I feel we're not really communicating.
- nayuki 2y agoYou need to constantly launch new satellites as old ones undergo orbital decay and run out of fuel.
- sneak 2y agoTo do this you need a cozy relationship with the satellite launch regulator in your country of operation.
- richardw 2y agoThe second you have a domain you can move it where you want. Change the software, look and feel. You keep subscribers. You don’t need to own every atom, just enough to give you options. You can’t move your X or FB account. They can block you anytime, or reduce traffic. Way fewer options.
- jasonjayr 2y agoRecent story regarding itch.io: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 Just owning your own domain, minding your own business, doesn't guarantee that it won't be taken down on a whim.
- dend 2y agoNot impossible, but the likelihood of a domain being taken away on a whim compared to a social network deciding to "shadowban" or just disable an account on their network is significantly lower. Also, with a domain you might have a legal recourse to pursue with the registrar/registry. With a social network account? You're on someone else's turf, and they can do what they want.
- richardw 2y agoOne of the top comments on BSky shows they got it back up fairly quickly. Try that when running on Google, say. If your business is on YouTube and they decide you’re dead, you’re dead. “But also, as someone who relies on your site, thank you so much for handling this in such a quick and effective way. Waking up and seeing that the site is already back up despite this all makes me proud and grateful to be on itchio.” Point is that you can choose your own adventure in a way that eclipses fully relying on another company. Beyond that, you can choose to own as many layers as you want and stop long before building your own hardware and fiber network.
- paxys 2y agoHaving control over a domain name doesn't mean all that much when the data hosted on it can be hijacked or held hostage at any point.
- greyface- 2y agoYou're still renting your ASN and IP space from ARIN/RIPE/etc, and they'll be revoked if you stop paying yearly dues. For true independence, you need to establish a base in international waters and establish a new RIR in accordance with ICANN ICP-2. https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012-02-25-en https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/new-rirs-criteria-2012...
- Suppafly 2y agoI really wouldn't mind doing steps 1-3 & 6-7 if it were easier. I don't really care about being an ISP though.
- immibis 2y agoDon't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. There are also Tor hidden services, where the dependency on lower layers still exists but they can't find which is yours.
- chilli_axe 2y agoTo truly self-host anything, you must first invent the universe.
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- RicoElectrico 2y agoThe difference is that if you're not in a walled garden, all the elements of the stack could be replaced. Obviously one needs to avoid big3 clouds and adversarial domain registrars who make it difficult to transfer domains.