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E.g. stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_interview_an_old_man_in_a_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17v

E.g. stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_interview_an_old_man_in_a_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_inte... Qatar has been a hideout to Hamas leadership and has passed money to Hamas for decades. It plays both ends and keeps relationships with the west to appear civil. Its English broadcasts even hired well known US journalists to give them credibility, but when you see the translation of Arabic broadcasts the stories are problematic. It's Pravda run by a Muslim theocracy, some stuff is more subtle but you can't trust anything you read/see there. There's a lot of stuff here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...

orwin 2y ago
I don't want to "hum, actually", but Hamas is aligned with Iran, and Qatar is playing Iran vs Saoudi arabia to exist, out of practicality more than anything. Also not a theocracy, but an aboslute monarchy. Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Imho it is likely to be viewed as an unjust behavior and a treason from Israel by Qatari. With the Assad clan out, Iran and Saudi Arabia only have the Yemen left for their proxy war, and Qatar in the middle absolutely need Al jazzeira to be credible on the international scene. I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias.
- tguvot 2y ago
  it was qatari money that was passed to hamas through israel in suitcases (this is after PA stopped paying salaries in gaza after hamas takeover). not the other way around
  - orwin 2y ago
    Until 2014, then they stopped (they wanted to align with the West). In 2018, according to several new sources, including right wing Israeli news, Netanyahou and Steve Mnuchin sent letters to Doha to implore Qatar to send fund to the Gaza strip. At that time, the Gaza population was fed up and hungry, and an uprising against Hamas was likely. The official justification was that an uprising would have had costs for israeli companies who use Gazaoui labor, but i bet keeping the Hamas freaks as opponents was also in the balance.
- invalidname 2y ago
  It's a monarchy under sharia so I don't think a western monarchy term properly represents what it is. Iran is very much unaligned with Hamas, it uses Hamas as a tool but despises it. Hamas and Qatar are Sunni whereas Iran is Shia, they despise each other but hate Israel/the west more. > Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Some money was indeed passed by Israel, but a lot of the payments for families of Suicide bombers etc. was not part of that specific deal. Giving refuge to Hamas leadership is not part of that either. > I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias. I used to read Haaretz but now I only read specific posts my spouse shares with me. Haaretz is a bubble. They pick narratives that fit specific world views. That makes it harder to understand why some things are happening. When I read more centrist news it gives me better sense of both sides on the matter and the comments there help me gauge public sentiment more accurately. Unfortunately, none is good and I still need a filter to "read between the lines". I'd argue that any Israeli news source is better than Al Jazeera but I'm obviously pretty biased on the matter and even I don't blindly trust Israeli media.
  - dogma1138 2y ago
    I don’t think that Haaretz is in a bubble as much as it’s simply captured by its audience. Don’t get me wrong it clearly has a very distinct ideological leaning but comparing their English edition to Google translate of their Hebrew one shows that their ideals very much take a backseat to subscriber fees.
  - orwin 2y ago
    I think absolute monarchy is exactly what Qatar is, an absolute monarch use religion to establish and justify its power. Absolute monarchies were pretty rare in europe overall, but looked a lot like Oman and Qatar look like these days. I think Al Jazeera, in this very case, has a point, the PA army indeed fought Hamas in refugee camps, and those raids have caused deaths. I'm, very, very partial to Fatah, especially the post-2014 iteration, but hiding those raids is imho a very bad political move and will cause a Streisand effect. Also, sadly, whatever Fatah do against Hamas, it will never move Israeli opinion about Palestinians.

orwin 2y ago

I don't want to "hum, actually", but Hamas is aligned with Iran, and Qatar is playing Iran vs Saoudi arabia to exist, out of practicality more than anything. Also not a theocracy, but an aboslute monarchy. Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Imho it is likely to be viewed as an unjust behavior and a treason from Israel by Qatari. With the Assad clan out, Iran and Saudi Arabia only have the Yemen left for their proxy war, and Qatar in the middle absolutely need Al jazzeira to be credible on the international scene. I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias.

tguvot 2y ago
it was qatari money that was passed to hamas through israel in suitcases (this is after PA stopped paying salaries in gaza after hamas takeover). not the other way around
- orwin 2y ago
  Until 2014, then they stopped (they wanted to align with the West). In 2018, according to several new sources, including right wing Israeli news, Netanyahou and Steve Mnuchin sent letters to Doha to implore Qatar to send fund to the Gaza strip. At that time, the Gaza population was fed up and hungry, and an uprising against Hamas was likely. The official justification was that an uprising would have had costs for israeli companies who use Gazaoui labor, but i bet keeping the Hamas freaks as opponents was also in the balance.
invalidname 2y ago
It's a monarchy under sharia so I don't think a western monarchy term properly represents what it is. Iran is very much unaligned with Hamas, it uses Hamas as a tool but despises it. Hamas and Qatar are Sunni whereas Iran is Shia, they despise each other but hate Israel/the west more. > Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Some money was indeed passed by Israel, but a lot of the payments for families of Suicide bombers etc. was not part of that specific deal. Giving refuge to Hamas leadership is not part of that either. > I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias. I used to read Haaretz but now I only read specific posts my spouse shares with me. Haaretz is a bubble. They pick narratives that fit specific world views. That makes it harder to understand why some things are happening. When I read more centrist news it gives me better sense of both sides on the matter and the comments there help me gauge public sentiment more accurately. Unfortunately, none is good and I still need a filter to "read between the lines". I'd argue that any Israeli news source is better than Al Jazeera but I'm obviously pretty biased on the matter and even I don't blindly trust Israeli media.
- dogma1138 2y ago
  I don’t think that Haaretz is in a bubble as much as it’s simply captured by its audience. Don’t get me wrong it clearly has a very distinct ideological leaning but comparing their English edition to Google translate of their Hebrew one shows that their ideals very much take a backseat to subscriber fees.
- orwin 2y ago
  I think absolute monarchy is exactly what Qatar is, an absolute monarch use religion to establish and justify its power. Absolute monarchies were pretty rare in europe overall, but looked a lot like Oman and Qatar look like these days. I think Al Jazeera, in this very case, has a point, the PA army indeed fought Hamas in refugee camps, and those raids have caused deaths. I'm, very, very partial to Fatah, especially the post-2014 iteration, but hiding those raids is imho a very bad political move and will cause a Streisand effect. Also, sadly, whatever Fatah do against Hamas, it will never move Israeli opinion about Palestinians.