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It isn't about favorable, it's about the goal. Qatar's goal is very aligned with Hamas. Global Jihad. Qatar is dressing it up with western appeal but its goals

It isn't about favorable, it's about the goal. Qatar's goal is very aligned with Hamas. Global Jihad. Qatar is dressing it up with western appeal but its goals are very clear. The Palestinian authority understands that armed conflict has never worked for them. Palestinians were used as a pawn for surrounding powers who manipulated them into conflict with Israel. Qatar is still playing that game and it goes against the interests of the Palestinian people.

PaulRobinson 2y ago
How do you dress up global jihad with western appeal? I will be plain, as a Westerner who has watched Al Jazeera on and off for many years, and who tries to follow Middle Eastern investment in the West with some scepticism as to eventual goals, I don't see Qatar as anywhere near the level of concern that you do. Can you give background reading, I'm genuinely curious.
- invalidname 2y ago
  E.g. stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_interview_an_old_man_in_a_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_inte... Qatar has been a hideout to Hamas leadership and has passed money to Hamas for decades. It plays both ends and keeps relationships with the west to appear civil. Its English broadcasts even hired well known US journalists to give them credibility, but when you see the translation of Arabic broadcasts the stories are problematic. It's Pravda run by a Muslim theocracy, some stuff is more subtle but you can't trust anything you read/see there. There's a lot of stuff here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...
  - orwin 2y ago
    I don't want to "hum, actually", but Hamas is aligned with Iran, and Qatar is playing Iran vs Saoudi arabia to exist, out of practicality more than anything. Also not a theocracy, but an aboslute monarchy. Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Imho it is likely to be viewed as an unjust behavior and a treason from Israel by Qatari. With the Assad clan out, Iran and Saudi Arabia only have the Yemen left for their proxy war, and Qatar in the middle absolutely need Al jazzeira to be credible on the international scene. I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias.
    - tguvot 2y ago
      it was qatari money that was passed to hamas through israel in suitcases (this is after PA stopped paying salaries in gaza after hamas takeover). not the other way around
      - orwin 2y ago
        Until 2014, then they stopped (they wanted to align with the West). In 2018, according to several new sources, including right wing Israeli news, Netanyahou and Steve Mnuchin sent letters to Doha to implore Qatar to send fund to the Gaza strip. At that time, the Gaza population was fed up and hungry, and an uprising against Hamas was likely. The official justification was that an uprising would have had costs for israeli companies who use Gazaoui labor, but i bet keeping the Hamas freaks as opponents was also in the balance.
    - invalidname 2y ago
      It's a monarchy under sharia so I don't think a western monarchy term properly represents what it is. Iran is very much unaligned with Hamas, it uses Hamas as a tool but despises it. Hamas and Qatar are Sunni whereas Iran is Shia, they despise each other but hate Israel/the west more. > Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Some money was indeed passed by Israel, but a lot of the payments for families of Suicide bombers etc. was not part of that specific deal. Giving refuge to Hamas leadership is not part of that either. > I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias. I used to read Haaretz but now I only read specific posts my spouse shares with me. Haaretz is a bubble. They pick narratives that fit specific world views. That makes it harder to understand why some things are happening. When I read more centrist news it gives me better sense of both sides on the matter and the comments there help me gauge public sentiment more accurately. Unfortunately, none is good and I still need a filter to "read between the lines". I'd argue that any Israeli news source is better than Al Jazeera but I'm obviously pretty biased on the matter and even I don't blindly trust Israeli media.
- spwa4 2y ago
  Well it's basic propaganda. For instance, there is a LARGE difference between English and Arabic content. So don't read Al-Jazeera english, read the arabic version with your browser's translation turned on. For example, in English, there's a country called Israel. In Arabic there isn't. It's called "the occupation". In English there are only ever Muslim civilian victims (e.g. patients in hospitals, little girls in their home). In Arabic muslims destroyed X civilian targets and they brag that they can do that, but there aren't muslims victims anymore, only "martyrs". The little girl doesn't get mentioned anymore, I can only assume she's one of the martyrs now. In English, there are only attacks on muslims (and Sudan doesn't get talked about much). In Arabic there's only battles and always some sort of victory. E.g. in Arabic their current "victory" articles. God (ie. "allah") has apparently destroyed the IDF, reconquered a Syrian mosque, enabled "Al-Houthi" to attack 22 Israeli and US targets (all civilian targets I might add, in Arabic they brag about the targets being civilian), and allah has "harvested legal victories" against Israel and the US at the UN: https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ac%d9%8a%d8%b4-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%b3%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%a6%d9%8a%d9%84%d9%8a-%d9%8a%d9%88%d8%a7%d8%ac%d9%87-%d9%83%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%ab%d8%a9-%d9%83%d8%a8%d9%8a%d8%b1%d8%a9-%d9%85%d8%a7 https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%... https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/2/%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%af-14-%d8%b9%d8%a7%d9%85%d8%a7-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%86%d8%a7%d8%a8%d9%84%d8%b3%d9%8a-%d9%8a%d8%b9%d9%88%d8%af-%d9%84%d9%85%d8%b3%d8%ac%d8%af%d9%87-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b0%d9%8a https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/2/%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%af-1... https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/3/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ad%d9%88%d8%ab%d9%8a-%d8%a3%d8%b7%d9%84%d9%82%d9%86%d8%a7-%d9%81%d9%8a-%d8%a3%d8%b3%d8%a8%d9%88%d8%b9-22-%d8%b5%d8%a7%d8%b1%d9%88%d8%ae%d8%a7-%d9%88%d9%85%d8%b3%d9%8a%d8%b1%d8%a9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/3/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ad%d... https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/6-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/6-%D9%85%D8%AD%D...

PaulRobinson 2y ago

How do you dress up global jihad with western appeal? I will be plain, as a Westerner who has watched Al Jazeera on and off for many years, and who tries to follow Middle Eastern investment in the West with some scepticism as to eventual goals, I don't see Qatar as anywhere near the level of concern that you do. Can you give background reading, I'm genuinely curious.

invalidname 2y ago
E.g. stuff like this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_interview_an_old_man_in_a_gaza_hospital/ https://www.reddit.com/r/ISR/comments/17vt0rc/aljazeera_inte... Qatar has been a hideout to Hamas leadership and has passed money to Hamas for decades. It plays both ends and keeps relationships with the west to appear civil. Its English broadcasts even hired well known US journalists to give them credibility, but when you see the translation of Arabic broadcasts the stories are problematic. It's Pravda run by a Muslim theocracy, some stuff is more subtle but you can't trust anything you read/see there. There's a lot of stuff here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_criticism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera_controversies_and_c...
- orwin 2y ago
  I don't want to "hum, actually", but Hamas is aligned with Iran, and Qatar is playing Iran vs Saoudi arabia to exist, out of practicality more than anything. Also not a theocracy, but an aboslute monarchy. Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Imho it is likely to be viewed as an unjust behavior and a treason from Israel by Qatari. With the Assad clan out, Iran and Saudi Arabia only have the Yemen left for their proxy war, and Qatar in the middle absolutely need Al jazzeira to be credible on the international scene. I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias.
  - tguvot 2y ago
    it was qatari money that was passed to hamas through israel in suitcases (this is after PA stopped paying salaries in gaza after hamas takeover). not the other way around
    - orwin 2y ago
      Until 2014, then they stopped (they wanted to align with the West). In 2018, according to several new sources, including right wing Israeli news, Netanyahou and Steve Mnuchin sent letters to Doha to implore Qatar to send fund to the Gaza strip. At that time, the Gaza population was fed up and hungry, and an uprising against Hamas was likely. The official justification was that an uprising would have had costs for israeli companies who use Gazaoui labor, but i bet keeping the Hamas freaks as opponents was also in the balance.
  - invalidname 2y ago
    It's a monarchy under sharia so I don't think a western monarchy term properly represents what it is. Iran is very much unaligned with Hamas, it uses Hamas as a tool but despises it. Hamas and Qatar are Sunni whereas Iran is Shia, they despise each other but hate Israel/the west more. > Playing Iran vs saudi arabia is also the reason why Qatar "passed money to Hamas", when asked by Israel (or rather, Likud). The funds they passed are originally from Israel. Some money was indeed passed by Israel, but a lot of the payments for families of Suicide bombers etc. was not part of that specific deal. Giving refuge to Hamas leadership is not part of that either. > I'm pretty sure they only report on things already reported on by Haaretz (which are the only middle east news i truly trust atm) or international medias. I used to read Haaretz but now I only read specific posts my spouse shares with me. Haaretz is a bubble. They pick narratives that fit specific world views. That makes it harder to understand why some things are happening. When I read more centrist news it gives me better sense of both sides on the matter and the comments there help me gauge public sentiment more accurately. Unfortunately, none is good and I still need a filter to "read between the lines". I'd argue that any Israeli news source is better than Al Jazeera but I'm obviously pretty biased on the matter and even I don't blindly trust Israeli media.
spwa4 2y ago
Well it's basic propaganda. For instance, there is a LARGE difference between English and Arabic content. So don't read Al-Jazeera english, read the arabic version with your browser's translation turned on. For example, in English, there's a country called Israel. In Arabic there isn't. It's called "the occupation". In English there are only ever Muslim civilian victims (e.g. patients in hospitals, little girls in their home). In Arabic muslims destroyed X civilian targets and they brag that they can do that, but there aren't muslims victims anymore, only "martyrs". The little girl doesn't get mentioned anymore, I can only assume she's one of the martyrs now. In English, there are only attacks on muslims (and Sudan doesn't get talked about much). In Arabic there's only battles and always some sort of victory. E.g. in Arabic their current "victory" articles. God (ie. "allah") has apparently destroyed the IDF, reconquered a Syrian mosque, enabled "Al-Houthi" to attack 22 Israeli and US targets (all civilian targets I might add, in Arabic they brag about the targets being civilian), and allah has "harvested legal victories" against Israel and the US at the UN: https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ac%d9%8a%d8%b4-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a5%d8%b3%d8%b1%d8%a7%d8%a6%d9%8a%d9%84%d9%8a-%d9%8a%d9%88%d8%a7%d8%ac%d9%87-%d9%83%d8%a7%d8%b1%d8%ab%d8%a9-%d9%83%d8%a8%d9%8a%d8%b1%d8%a9-%d9%85%d8%a7 https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%... https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/2/%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%af-14-%d8%b9%d8%a7%d9%85%d8%a7-%d8%a7%d9%84%d9%86%d8%a7%d8%a8%d9%84%d8%b3%d9%8a-%d9%8a%d8%b9%d9%88%d8%af-%d9%84%d9%85%d8%b3%d8%ac%d8%af%d9%87-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%b0%d9%8a https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/2/%d8%a8%d8%b9%d8%af-1... https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/3/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ad%d9%88%d8%ab%d9%8a-%d8%a3%d8%b7%d9%84%d9%82%d9%86%d8%a7-%d9%81%d9%8a-%d8%a3%d8%b3%d8%a8%d9%88%d8%b9-22-%d8%b5%d8%a7%d8%b1%d9%88%d8%ae%d8%a7-%d9%88%d9%85%d8%b3%d9%8a%d8%b1%d8%a9 https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2025/1/3/%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%ad%d... https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/6-%D9%85%D8%AD%D8%A7%D9%88%D8%B1-%D9%87%D8%A7%D9%85%D8%A9-%D9%84%D9%82%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A1%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AD%D8%B5%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%82%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8A https://www.aljazeera.net/opinions/2025/1/2/6-%D9%85%D8%AD%D...