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I feel like that's been helped along culturally by fandom.com buying out various independent wikis and then shittifying them to the point of unusability.

TkTech 2y ago
There's an ongoing mini-revolution against Fandom, with the wikis that have the manpower moving away to other platforms like wiki.gg, WeirdGloop, or just self-hosted. Minecraft, WoW, Runescape, LoL, etc.
- j3s 2y ago
  yep! i recommend indie wiki buddy for discovering these sorts of community-led wikis. the extension recognizes when you’re on fandom and recommends equivalent community wikis instead fandom will not take down old wikis (that’d be bad for SEO), so the fandom content persists even after a full community migration. just one of the many shitty things that company does.
  - shnock 2y ago
    This? https://getindie.wiki/ https://getindie.wiki/ Thank you from a long-time hater of Fandom and PE-driven enshittification and lover of community-driven knowledge work
- doublepg23 2y ago
  I'm glad https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page survived Fandom.
  - diggan 2y ago
    If only we could have something similar but official for Starfield. For some very stupid reason, Bethesda decided to launch official modding support with Starfield while their wiki is "temporarily down for maintenance". But it's been like that for at least 1 year, so seems unlikely to ever come back, and who the fuck takes down something so vital for a feature you're shipping in a major game anyways, without letting a read-only copy remain online at least?
- Kye 2y ago
  The moved-out Minecraft wiki is finally starting to get competitive in search with Fandom. At least on DuckDuckGo. I used to have to dig for it.
KPGv2 2y ago
Ugh, that explains why the Miraculous Ladybug wiki is so godawful.
emodendroket 2y ago
I guess that doesn't help but it feels like our cultural moment doesn't have the same kind of spirit that made people want to make a Wiki.
brutal_chaos_ 2y ago
How is fandom shitty now? I'm asking from a newer user perspective. What did standalone wikis do better? My initial guess is ads, but is there more to it?
- naravara 2y ago
  The pages are basically unreadable on mobile.
- krige 2y ago
  Ads, awful layout on desktop, beyond awful on mobile, slow server responses. On the flipside more wikis are actually moving OFF Fandom lately, for instance to wiki.gg
- blharr 2y ago
  Adding autoplay videos that are tangentially related to the wiki page. Said videos take about 10 seconds to show up and will cause the screen to scroll to a different point from where you are currently reading Their privacy policy is exhaustive, and you opt in by default to sharing your data with Google and 7 other analytics providers UI noise like "share to Instagram/YouTube/LinkedIn" that probably 0.1% of people even consider using When you're on a specific game wiki, you care only about that wiki content, but fandom places a Fandom navigation bar and side menu Their default email strategy sent almost daily updates for random posts on (unrelated) FANDOM community when I made a couple comments on a specific wiki a decade ago.
  - WorldMaker 2y ago
    Also, on mobile the video ads plus Fandom navigation bar now take up a sticky combined 50% or more of the viewport until you find the close button. Also, Fandom got its start by taking advantage of the easy, permissive nature of CC licenses of major early wikis, including much of Fandom started as chunks of even Wikipedia itself that got excised for "relevance" or other "non-encylopedia" factors. Even in some of the cases where communities have decided to leave Fandom, Fandom believes it remains their right to scrape the community's new site and not need to include links back to the "real" home, so Fandom itself becomes an SEO disaster for the community. Even communities that had hoped to protect themselves from such situations by choosing a more restrictive CC license with the NC (Non Commercial) clause have been struggling with revoking Fandom's access to their content against Fandom's legal team saying that Fandom's commercial waver to the content was both retroactive and in perpetuity, and those wikis would have known that at the time.
anthk 2y ago
Install Libredirect for Firefox/Chrome compatible browsers and set the Fandom redirection to something else.

TkTech 2y ago

There's an ongoing mini-revolution against Fandom, with the wikis that have the manpower moving away to other platforms like wiki.gg, WeirdGloop, or just self-hosted. Minecraft, WoW, Runescape, LoL, etc.

j3s 2y ago
yep! i recommend indie wiki buddy for discovering these sorts of community-led wikis. the extension recognizes when you’re on fandom and recommends equivalent community wikis instead fandom will not take down old wikis (that’d be bad for SEO), so the fandom content persists even after a full community migration. just one of the many shitty things that company does.
- shnock 2y ago
  This? https://getindie.wiki/ https://getindie.wiki/ Thank you from a long-time hater of Fandom and PE-driven enshittification and lover of community-driven knowledge work
doublepg23 2y ago
I'm glad https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Main_Page survived Fandom.
- diggan 2y ago
  If only we could have something similar but official for Starfield. For some very stupid reason, Bethesda decided to launch official modding support with Starfield while their wiki is "temporarily down for maintenance". But it's been like that for at least 1 year, so seems unlikely to ever come back, and who the fuck takes down something so vital for a feature you're shipping in a major game anyways, without letting a read-only copy remain online at least?
Kye 2y ago
The moved-out Minecraft wiki is finally starting to get competitive in search with Fandom. At least on DuckDuckGo. I used to have to dig for it.

KPGv2 2y ago

Ugh, that explains why the Miraculous Ladybug wiki is so godawful.

emodendroket 2y ago

I guess that doesn't help but it feels like our cultural moment doesn't have the same kind of spirit that made people want to make a Wiki.

brutal_chaos_ 2y ago

How is fandom shitty now? I'm asking from a newer user perspective. What did standalone wikis do better? My initial guess is ads, but is there more to it?

naravara 2y ago
The pages are basically unreadable on mobile.
krige 2y ago
Ads, awful layout on desktop, beyond awful on mobile, slow server responses. On the flipside more wikis are actually moving OFF Fandom lately, for instance to wiki.gg
blharr 2y ago
Adding autoplay videos that are tangentially related to the wiki page. Said videos take about 10 seconds to show up and will cause the screen to scroll to a different point from where you are currently reading Their privacy policy is exhaustive, and you opt in by default to sharing your data with Google and 7 other analytics providers UI noise like "share to Instagram/YouTube/LinkedIn" that probably 0.1% of people even consider using When you're on a specific game wiki, you care only about that wiki content, but fandom places a Fandom navigation bar and side menu Their default email strategy sent almost daily updates for random posts on (unrelated) FANDOM community when I made a couple comments on a specific wiki a decade ago.
- WorldMaker 2y ago
  Also, on mobile the video ads plus Fandom navigation bar now take up a sticky combined 50% or more of the viewport until you find the close button. Also, Fandom got its start by taking advantage of the easy, permissive nature of CC licenses of major early wikis, including much of Fandom started as chunks of even Wikipedia itself that got excised for "relevance" or other "non-encylopedia" factors. Even in some of the cases where communities have decided to leave Fandom, Fandom believes it remains their right to scrape the community's new site and not need to include links back to the "real" home, so Fandom itself becomes an SEO disaster for the community. Even communities that had hoped to protect themselves from such situations by choosing a more restrictive CC license with the NC (Non Commercial) clause have been struggling with revoking Fandom's access to their content against Fandom's legal team saying that Fandom's commercial waver to the content was both retroactive and in perpetuity, and those wikis would have known that at the time.

anthk 2y ago

Install Libredirect for Firefox/Chrome compatible browsers and set the Fandom redirection to something else.