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So link to the court case and details? When you create an account just to post in this thread endlessly defending what appears to be at minimum someone who pro

by tw04 2y ago

So link to the court case and details? When you create an account just to post in this thread endlessly defending what appears to be at minimum someone who probably shouldn’t own guns in the first place, it’s difficult to believe you’re here for anything other than stirring the pot. Oh, I found it. He was literally selling a machine gun conversion kit and claiming it was a business card. It very clearly wasn’t. And it wasn’t a “drawing” it was the metal pieces to convert an AR to fully automatic by breaking out the pre-cut pieces with a pliers. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/atf-arrests-florida-man-selling-metal-drawing-full-auto-lightning-link/ https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/atf-arrests-florida-man-s...

ty6853 2y ago
It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it. And the atf followed (cut with a dremel for 40 minutes) the drawing and it didn't even work as traced, nor did they ever get their own design to do anymore than a hammer follow malfunction that a fully legal AR can do without adding parts. The distinguishing feature between this and a metal business card is the speech on it makes ATF sad face.
- motorest 2y ago
  > It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it. That is the attempt to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Even the seller was marketing their machine-gun conversion kits as AR-related devices that the ATF wished didn't existed. The seller even posted puerile pseudo legal disclaimers such as don't use them to do anything illegal It's baffling how these puerile arguments boil down to expecting everyone to be binded to a very specific and far-fetched literal interpretation of a specific part of the law while keeping to themselves the fact that it is actually a blatant violation that's kept as an in-joke. When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks.
  - ty6853 2y ago
    You've fallen for a trick. Rather than rehash all the ways you've defamed and lied, your claims are thoroughly disproven in the appeal that will prevail [0]. He sold a metal plate with sad speech on it, that atf testified did not induce automatic fire. Unless every non-stamped ar-15 is an illegal machine gun, this card can't be. https://www.scribd.com/document/772241091/AutoKeyCard-Case-Appeal-Says-by-ATF-Standards-Any-AR-15-Could-Be-Considered-a-Machinegun https://www.scribd.com/document/772241091/AutoKeyCard-Case-A...
    - motorest 2y ago
      > You've fallen for a trick. I repeat: > When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks. And here you are, whining that others didn't fell for that pathetic gimmick.
      - ty6853 2y ago
        You are asserting every ar-15 is a machine gun if those cards are. Is that really your position?
        motorest 2y ago
        > You are asserting every ar-15 is a machine gun if those cards are. Is that really your position? I don't know who do you think you're fooling, or if you think everyone around you is a utter moron. The guy was selling machine-gun conversion kits. More specifically, he was selling lightning links which turns a semi-automatic AR-15 into a fully automatic machine gun.
        ty6853 2y ago
        The shapes depicted when cut out by the ATF did not induce automatic fire nor the function of a lightning link. After the ATF modified further they only induced hammer follow malfunctions which every single ar-15 can do with the parts sold. You are asserting every single ar-15 is an illegal machine gun. You should read the testimony and about hammer follow to find out why you're wrong and why his case will absolutely be overturned.

by tw04 2y ago

ty6853 2y ago

It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it. And the atf followed (cut with a dremel for 40 minutes) the drawing and it didn't even work as traced, nor did they ever get their own design to do anymore than a hammer follow malfunction that a fully legal AR can do without adding parts. The distinguishing feature between this and a metal business card is the speech on it makes ATF sad face.

motorest 2y ago
> It was not the metal pieces. It was one flat piece with a drawing of the pieces on it. That is the attempt to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. Even the seller was marketing their machine-gun conversion kits as AR-related devices that the ATF wished didn't existed. The seller even posted puerile pseudo legal disclaimers such as don't use them to do anything illegal It's baffling how these puerile arguments boil down to expecting everyone to be binded to a very specific and far-fetched literal interpretation of a specific part of the law while keeping to themselves the fact that it is actually a blatant violation that's kept as an in-joke. When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks.
- ty6853 2y ago
  You've fallen for a trick. Rather than rehash all the ways you've defamed and lied, your claims are thoroughly disproven in the appeal that will prevail [0]. He sold a metal plate with sad speech on it, that atf testified did not induce automatic fire. Unless every non-stamped ar-15 is an illegal machine gun, this card can't be. https://www.scribd.com/document/772241091/AutoKeyCard-Case-Appeal-Says-by-ATF-Standards-Any-AR-15-Could-Be-Considered-a-Machinegun https://www.scribd.com/document/772241091/AutoKeyCard-Case-A...
  - motorest 2y ago
    > You've fallen for a trick. I repeat: > When their poorly-thought-through stunt blows up on their face and see the law still applies, they clutch their pearls claiming they demand law enforcement should be stupid and incompetent enough to fall for their gimmicks. And here you are, whining that others didn't fell for that pathetic gimmick.
    - ty6853 2y ago
      You are asserting every ar-15 is a machine gun if those cards are. Is that really your position?
      - motorest 2y ago
        > You are asserting every ar-15 is a machine gun if those cards are. Is that really your position? I don't know who do you think you're fooling, or if you think everyone around you is a utter moron. The guy was selling machine-gun conversion kits. More specifically, he was selling lightning links which turns a semi-automatic AR-15 into a fully automatic machine gun.
        ty6853 2y ago
        The shapes depicted when cut out by the ATF did not induce automatic fire nor the function of a lightning link. After the ATF modified further they only induced hammer follow malfunctions which every single ar-15 can do with the parts sold. You are asserting every single ar-15 is an illegal machine gun. You should read the testimony and about hammer follow to find out why you're wrong and why his case will absolutely be overturned.