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Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.

by tokai 2y ago

elmomle 2y ago
To finish the sentence you were quoting: '“no lives matter,” an apparent nod to a far-right ideology that primarily coordinates through encrypted apps.' First page of Google gives this: https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2 https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2
- wumeow 2y ago
  > NLM states that “societal standards should not exist. They are to be crushed by any means possible. If they comply to the societal standards[,] they are mundane,” and encourages the “spread of terror to all who are mundane.” In April 2024, NLM publicly rejected further association with the online violent torture and sextortion network, 764. NLM stated that it “was originally formed as an ideology…for 764 to follow,” but the “alliance” with 764 was discontinued due to the network’s ties to Satanism and pedophilia. Well apparently some societal standards should exist.
  - xsmasher 2y ago
    "We are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole." ~ William 'D-Fens' Foster
- tokai 2y ago
  Yeah I obviously read that. Ideology != organization. I'm well aware of the slogan, its been popular in right wing circles for as long as black lives matters has been around. Thank you for the link. Which is still not about an organization but about a telegram group. Just wanted to know were GP got the organization bit from the shared link.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    I replied with quotes from the nytimes article.
  - layer8 2y ago
    From the link you read, they have a notion of membership with admission criteria and announced partnerships with European and Russian groups. They seem to at least consider themselves as a kind of organization.
bhouston 2y ago
I read another article, in this case one in the New York Times that said: They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said. No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram. The movement’s adherents promote “targeted attacks, mass killings and criminal activity” and have “historically encouraged members to engage in self-harm and animal abuse,” according to a threat assessment released in August by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.
- fullspectrumdev 2y ago
  The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - wodderam 2y ago
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  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      > Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?

Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.

by tokai 2y ago

Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.

elmomle 2y ago

To finish the sentence you were quoting: '“no lives matter,” an apparent nod to a far-right ideology that primarily coordinates through encrypted apps.' First page of Google gives this: https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2 https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2

wumeow 2y ago
> NLM states that “societal standards should not exist. They are to be crushed by any means possible. If they comply to the societal standards[,] they are mundane,” and encourages the “spread of terror to all who are mundane.” In April 2024, NLM publicly rejected further association with the online violent torture and sextortion network, 764. NLM stated that it “was originally formed as an ideology…for 764 to follow,” but the “alliance” with 764 was discontinued due to the network’s ties to Satanism and pedophilia. Well apparently some societal standards should exist.
- xsmasher 2y ago
  "We are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole." ~ William 'D-Fens' Foster
tokai 2y ago
Yeah I obviously read that. Ideology != organization. I'm well aware of the slogan, its been popular in right wing circles for as long as black lives matters has been around. Thank you for the link. Which is still not about an organization but about a telegram group. Just wanted to know were GP got the organization bit from the shared link.
- bhouston 2y ago
  I replied with quotes from the nytimes article.
- layer8 2y ago
  From the link you read, they have a notion of membership with admission criteria and announced partnerships with European and Russian groups. They seem to at least consider themselves as a kind of organization.

bhouston 2y ago

I read another article, in this case one in the New York Times that said: They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said. No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram. The movement’s adherents promote “targeted attacks, mass killings and criminal activity” and have “historically encouraged members to engage in self-harm and animal abuse,” according to a threat assessment released in August by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.

fullspectrumdev 2y ago
The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.
- deleted 2y ago
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- wodderam 2y ago
  [flagged]
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    > Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?