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A member of the far right No Lives Matter organization. First time I’ve heard of the group.

tokai 2y ago
Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.
- elmomle 2y ago
  To finish the sentence you were quoting: '“no lives matter,” an apparent nod to a far-right ideology that primarily coordinates through encrypted apps.' First page of Google gives this: https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2 https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2
  - wumeow 2y ago
    > NLM states that “societal standards should not exist. They are to be crushed by any means possible. If they comply to the societal standards[,] they are mundane,” and encourages the “spread of terror to all who are mundane.” In April 2024, NLM publicly rejected further association with the online violent torture and sextortion network, 764. NLM stated that it “was originally formed as an ideology…for 764 to follow,” but the “alliance” with 764 was discontinued due to the network’s ties to Satanism and pedophilia. Well apparently some societal standards should exist.
    - xsmasher 2y ago
      "We are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole." ~ William 'D-Fens' Foster
  - tokai 2y ago
    Yeah I obviously read that. Ideology != organization. I'm well aware of the slogan, its been popular in right wing circles for as long as black lives matters has been around. Thank you for the link. Which is still not about an organization but about a telegram group. Just wanted to know were GP got the organization bit from the shared link.
    - bhouston 2y ago
      I replied with quotes from the nytimes article.
    - layer8 2y ago
      From the link you read, they have a notion of membership with admission criteria and announced partnerships with European and Russian groups. They seem to at least consider themselves as a kind of organization.
- bhouston 2y ago
  I read another article, in this case one in the New York Times that said: They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said. No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram. The movement’s adherents promote “targeted attacks, mass killings and criminal activity” and have “historically encouraged members to engage in self-harm and animal abuse,” according to a threat assessment released in August by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.
  - fullspectrumdev 2y ago
    The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - wodderam 2y ago
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    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.
      - IshKebab 2y ago
        > Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?
RonaldDump 2y ago
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energy123 2y ago
Read about O9A. There's a strain of neo-Nazism that cross pollinated with Satanism a few decades ago and they've maintained a small presence. They appreciate things like animal abuse.
- pseudo0 2y ago
  And of course, the main publisher of O9A extremist propaganda is a multi-decade FBI informant... https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-extremist-fbi-informant/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-ext...
compass_copium 2y ago
It's loosely affiliated (or was anyway) with the 764/com groups that were in the news a little while back, and linked to MKY, a Russian terror group. M. A. Argentino has good articles about this set: https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleashed-the-764-network-and-no-lives-matters-new-ideological-manifesto-and-the-hasselby-attack/ https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleash... 764 members have been getting arrested periodically. One was arrested earlier in December: https://cyberscoop.com/baron-martin-arrested-for-child-abuse-material-cyberstalking-764-cvlt-networks/ https://cyberscoop.com/baron-martin-arrested-for-child-abuse...
sigzero 2y ago
It isn't a group, that's why.
- z3c0 2y ago
  On what basis are you making that claim? Multiple sources link No Lives Matter back to an intentionally formed subgroup of 764, started by a specific Swedish 14-year-old. https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/stockholm-attacks-linked-to-satanic-internet-cult/ https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/stockholm-attacks...

Where do you read there there is an organization called that? The articles states 'The filing also references Spafford’s belief in “no lives matter,”'.

elmomle 2y ago
To finish the sentence you were quoting: '“no lives matter,” an apparent nod to a far-right ideology that primarily coordinates through encrypted apps.' First page of Google gives this: https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2 https://www.njohsp.gov/Home/Components/News/News/1430/2
- wumeow 2y ago
  > NLM states that “societal standards should not exist. They are to be crushed by any means possible. If they comply to the societal standards[,] they are mundane,” and encourages the “spread of terror to all who are mundane.” In April 2024, NLM publicly rejected further association with the online violent torture and sextortion network, 764. NLM stated that it “was originally formed as an ideology…for 764 to follow,” but the “alliance” with 764 was discontinued due to the network’s ties to Satanism and pedophilia. Well apparently some societal standards should exist.
  - xsmasher 2y ago
    "We are not the same. I'm an American, you're a sick asshole." ~ William 'D-Fens' Foster
- tokai 2y ago
  Yeah I obviously read that. Ideology != organization. I'm well aware of the slogan, its been popular in right wing circles for as long as black lives matters has been around. Thank you for the link. Which is still not about an organization but about a telegram group. Just wanted to know were GP got the organization bit from the shared link.
  - bhouston 2y ago
    I replied with quotes from the nytimes article.
  - layer8 2y ago
    From the link you read, they have a notion of membership with admission criteria and announced partnerships with European and Russian groups. They seem to at least consider themselves as a kind of organization.
bhouston 2y ago
I read another article, in this case one in the New York Times that said: They found more pipe bombs in a bedroom inside Mr. Spafford’s house, loosely stuffed in a backpack that bore a patch shaped like a hand grenade and a logo reading “#NoLivesMatter,” prosecutors said. No Lives Matter is a nihilistic, far-right ideology that largely exists on encrypted online messaging apps like Telegram. The movement’s adherents promote “targeted attacks, mass killings and criminal activity” and have “historically encouraged members to engage in self-harm and animal abuse,” according to a threat assessment released in August by the New Jersey Office of Homeland Security and Preparedness.
- fullspectrumdev 2y ago
  The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - wodderam 2y ago
    [flagged]
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      > Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?

RonaldDump 2y ago

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energy123 2y ago

Read about O9A. There's a strain of neo-Nazism that cross pollinated with Satanism a few decades ago and they've maintained a small presence. They appreciate things like animal abuse.

pseudo0 2y ago
And of course, the main publisher of O9A extremist propaganda is a multi-decade FBI informant... https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-extremist-fbi-informant/ https://www.wired.com/story/the-dangerous-exploits-of-an-ext...

compass_copium 2y ago

It's loosely affiliated (or was anyway) with the 764/com groups that were in the news a little while back, and linked to MKY, a Russian terror group. M. A. Argentino has good articles about this set: https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleashed-the-764-network-and-no-lives-matters-new-ideological-manifesto-and-the-hasselby-attack/ https://www.maargentino.com/nihilism-and-misanthropy-unleash... 764 members have been getting arrested periodically. One was arrested earlier in December: https://cyberscoop.com/baron-martin-arrested-for-child-abuse-material-cyberstalking-764-cvlt-networks/ https://cyberscoop.com/baron-martin-arrested-for-child-abuse...

sigzero 2y ago

It isn't a group, that's why.

z3c0 2y ago
On what basis are you making that claim? Multiple sources link No Lives Matter back to an intentionally formed subgroup of 764, started by a specific Swedish 14-year-old. https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/stockholm-attacks-linked-to-satanic-internet-cult/ https://nordictimes.com/the-nordics/sweden/stockholm-attacks...