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How many of you glance at this website and think "fraud engine"? This is a fantastic vehicle to suck money out of people that love their pets, and love animals

How many of you glance at this website and think "fraud engine"? This is a fantastic vehicle to suck money out of people that love their pets, and love animals in general. I know nothing about these people, but my fraud alarms are screaming.

goda90 2y ago
Well study participants aren't charged. Maybe it's fraud against those who are funding it, but the pet owners themselves are not the current target.
- bsenftner 2y ago
  I'd examine this much deeper before engaging. It's far too consumer targeted, far too feel good. I would not be surprised if "becoming a partner" or "community scientist" required fees or more.
  - carls 2y ago
    This project is a research project out of the University of Washington, led by several of the professors there. I believe the lab is the Healthy Aging and Longevity Institute. They share a list of academic publications that have resulted from the project, and their Team page lists the full names a sizable large number of people. Their FAQ indicates that the cost of the DNA Kit and other things are covered by the project funding. [1] What made you think that it's engaging in fraud? I'm genuinely curious. I'm not involved in the project but just from looking at the site for several minutes, it seems to be a fairly reasonable research project. Or did you say "fraud" less to mean "these are people who are stealing money and e.g., hoarding it away" and more to mean "these are people engaging in a research project I disapprove of"? [1] https://dogagingproject.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4416998516375-Does-it-cost-anything-to-be-part-of-TRIAD?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://dogagingproject.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/441699...
    - bsenftner 2y ago
      Honestly, it does not appear like a research institute at all. It looks like the styling that the owners of People's Magazine or the National Enquirer would use to market their 'research nonprofit' where the actual research contribution is 3% of their revenues, while supporting fat salaries for an executive staff. It just looks too consumer and not academic, not serious. It is simply too feel good. It has the trappings of respectability, but not really. It's too slick. I also never spent the time to look deeper, the loud consumer targeted presentation drove me away.
      - enraged_camel 2y ago
        Several people have corrected you, and yet you keep going, claiming that this is some sort of fraud. What's your deal? Why are you spreading FUD?
        op00to 2y ago
        Maybe the person just really loves it when their dog dies early. :(
        bsenftner 2y ago
        "several people"? I engaged with two people and moved on.
      - insane_dreamer 2y ago
        Probably because creating a nice-looking website is more likely to drive engagement with today's users than something that looks like it was made by some academic stuck in the 90s.
      - carls 2y ago
        I think it's reasonable to be turned off by a slick-looking website, but I imagine it's because the intended audience of the website is the general (dog-owning) public, likely for the purposes of soliciting participants. Interestingly, through engaging with you I discovered that this is a cognitive bias called the "horn effect" and is the reverse of the more common "Halo effect": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect#:~:text=The%20horn%20effect%20occurs%20when,unfavorable%20aspect%20of%20this%20person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect#:~:text=The%20horn....
  - zacharycohn 2y ago
    You could try clicking around and reading a little bit before throwing wildly inaccurate, speculative, and slanderous accusations at an org you know nothing about.
  - antisthenes 2y ago
    Out of curiosity, do you feel just as strongly about very prominent social justice programs for humans? Especially those that target extremely small slices of population (some would say at the expense of other larger, mostly neglected groups)
- citizenpaul 2y ago
  > pet owners themselves are not the current target. Uhh there is a donation button on the site.
infensus 2y ago
My first thought after seeing that stock image watermark looking line on the dog picture
d4704 2y ago
It’s a research project I’ve seen before - healthspan and lifespan research. If interested - Project lead interviewed by Dr. Peter Attia: https://peterattiamd.com/mattkaeberlein/ https://peterattiamd.com/mattkaeberlein/ Rapamycin: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/15/rapamycin-longevity-drug/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/15/rapamycin...
throwaway5752 2y ago
Every single longevity project - human or otherwise - is a scam. Fear of dying is the most fundamental one to existence, and scam artists have been exploiting it for as long as there have been people. Religion promises an eternal afterlife. Cryogenics promises a future thawing and cure in an enlightend and technically advanced future. Plastic surgery puts a veneer over the signs of the natural aging process. The more recent batch have targeted metabolism, growth inhibition (ie rapamycin), etc. Very wealthy people that don't want to die or don't want their pets to die will never be in short supply. They will still all die, roughly around the same time they would have otherwise from different causes with different infirmities (search for "sirolimus side effects"). Enjoy and make the most of the years you are given. Happy New Year.
- qgin 2y ago
  There are many destructive processes happening in the post-reproductive years that we don't have names for yet and unfortunately have been referring to as "aging". But they are disease states as much as any other. There is literally nothing about this project that will have any dog or human live forever. But it does have the possibility to improve dog and human health in some fundamental ways and increase the number of healthy years that we get before disease takes over. If this is longevity science, then all medicine is longevity science.
qgin 2y ago
Matt Kaeberlein is as legit as it gets in longevity science. It's very much not a fraud.

goda90 2y ago

Well study participants aren't charged. Maybe it's fraud against those who are funding it, but the pet owners themselves are not the current target.

bsenftner 2y ago
I'd examine this much deeper before engaging. It's far too consumer targeted, far too feel good. I would not be surprised if "becoming a partner" or "community scientist" required fees or more.
- carls 2y ago
  This project is a research project out of the University of Washington, led by several of the professors there. I believe the lab is the Healthy Aging and Longevity Institute. They share a list of academic publications that have resulted from the project, and their Team page lists the full names a sizable large number of people. Their FAQ indicates that the cost of the DNA Kit and other things are covered by the project funding. [1] What made you think that it's engaging in fraud? I'm genuinely curious. I'm not involved in the project but just from looking at the site for several minutes, it seems to be a fairly reasonable research project. Or did you say "fraud" less to mean "these are people who are stealing money and e.g., hoarding it away" and more to mean "these are people engaging in a research project I disapprove of"? [1] https://dogagingproject.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/4416998516375-Does-it-cost-anything-to-be-part-of-TRIAD?utm_source=chatgpt.com https://dogagingproject.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/441699...
  - bsenftner 2y ago
    Honestly, it does not appear like a research institute at all. It looks like the styling that the owners of People's Magazine or the National Enquirer would use to market their 'research nonprofit' where the actual research contribution is 3% of their revenues, while supporting fat salaries for an executive staff. It just looks too consumer and not academic, not serious. It is simply too feel good. It has the trappings of respectability, but not really. It's too slick. I also never spent the time to look deeper, the loud consumer targeted presentation drove me away.
    - enraged_camel 2y ago
      Several people have corrected you, and yet you keep going, claiming that this is some sort of fraud. What's your deal? Why are you spreading FUD?
      - op00to 2y ago
        Maybe the person just really loves it when their dog dies early. :(
      - bsenftner 2y ago
        "several people"? I engaged with two people and moved on.
    - insane_dreamer 2y ago
      Probably because creating a nice-looking website is more likely to drive engagement with today's users than something that looks like it was made by some academic stuck in the 90s.
    - carls 2y ago
      I think it's reasonable to be turned off by a slick-looking website, but I imagine it's because the intended audience of the website is the general (dog-owning) public, likely for the purposes of soliciting participants. Interestingly, through engaging with you I discovered that this is a cognitive bias called the "horn effect" and is the reverse of the more common "Halo effect": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect#:~:text=The%20horn%20effect%20occurs%20when,unfavorable%20aspect%20of%20this%20person https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_effect#:~:text=The%20horn....
- zacharycohn 2y ago
  You could try clicking around and reading a little bit before throwing wildly inaccurate, speculative, and slanderous accusations at an org you know nothing about.
- antisthenes 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, do you feel just as strongly about very prominent social justice programs for humans? Especially those that target extremely small slices of population (some would say at the expense of other larger, mostly neglected groups)
citizenpaul 2y ago
> pet owners themselves are not the current target. Uhh there is a donation button on the site.

infensus 2y ago

My first thought after seeing that stock image watermark looking line on the dog picture

d4704 2y ago

It’s a research project I’ve seen before - healthspan and lifespan research. If interested - Project lead interviewed by Dr. Peter Attia: https://peterattiamd.com/mattkaeberlein/ https://peterattiamd.com/mattkaeberlein/ Rapamycin: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/15/rapamycin-longevity-drug/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/03/15/rapamycin...

throwaway5752 2y ago

Every single longevity project - human or otherwise - is a scam. Fear of dying is the most fundamental one to existence, and scam artists have been exploiting it for as long as there have been people. Religion promises an eternal afterlife. Cryogenics promises a future thawing and cure in an enlightend and technically advanced future. Plastic surgery puts a veneer over the signs of the natural aging process. The more recent batch have targeted metabolism, growth inhibition (ie rapamycin), etc. Very wealthy people that don't want to die or don't want their pets to die will never be in short supply. They will still all die, roughly around the same time they would have otherwise from different causes with different infirmities (search for "sirolimus side effects"). Enjoy and make the most of the years you are given. Happy New Year.

qgin 2y ago
There are many destructive processes happening in the post-reproductive years that we don't have names for yet and unfortunately have been referring to as "aging". But they are disease states as much as any other. There is literally nothing about this project that will have any dog or human live forever. But it does have the possibility to improve dog and human health in some fundamental ways and increase the number of healthy years that we get before disease takes over. If this is longevity science, then all medicine is longevity science.

qgin 2y ago

Matt Kaeberlein is as legit as it gets in longevity science. It's very much not a fraud.