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War with China is starting to seem increasingly likely, we need to seriously prepare our industry now to manufacture things again and stop giving them our techn

War with China is starting to seem increasingly likely, we need to seriously prepare our industry now to manufacture things again and stop giving them our technology. The NSA/CIA need to start making systems more secure by default and stop thinking spying on their own populations is a top priority.

Krasnol 2y ago
What war? The digital has been running for quite a while, and there won't be a real one. China has nothing to gain from starting one. I mean seriously...why would you shoot your customer?
- rickydroll 2y ago
  > I mean seriously...why would you shoot your customer? It depends on your goal. If it is strictly a commercial relationship, “shooting your customer” could be advantageous for preserving a revenue stream. Customer lock-in Could be seen as a form of “shooting your customer" If your goal is political, "shooting your customer" may enable a regime change that is friendlier to you. We have done this multiple times in the Middle East, Central America, and South America.
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    The difference is, China has more have-nots than the US has people. The US is the main source of value creation for China. If Xi wants to not have a coup and be beh... I mean, if Xi wants to guarantee the future prosperity of the PRC, he needs to raise those have-nots out of poverty and the way to do that is by selling stuff to Americans and stealing their IP, not creating a shooting war with a country that has enough nuclear weapons to make this planet uninhabitable to intelligent life for centuries. The US has done what it has done in the regions you list because they're already unstable (particularly the Middle East) and have no way of striking decisive blows against US territory.
    - kiba 2y ago
      The way to do that is to actually have stronger consumption in China, not antagonize the US.
marcosdumay 2y ago
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- _bin_ 2y ago
  you’re understanding is flawed. the us government exists with the sole purpose of safeguarding American interests and liberty. if collecting chinese’ geolocation helped that, i’d be okay with us doing it. of course, china is objectively worse in that we haven’t actually done this to anyone’s knowledge and given that she built her whole economy off lying, cheating, and stealing. i think you’re mistaking a sentiment of “china is dangerous, her interests specifically contradict ours, and we must permanently cripple her power before she gets worse” for “china is in violation of muh international norm #627!!”
jamesmotherway 2y ago
China-nexus threat actors tend to be focused on espionage, including intellectual property theft. "Prepositioning" is a more recent observation, but it doesn't mean a war is inevitable. While it would be useful in that scenario, in others it may act only as a deterrent. Everyone should hope a war does not occur. The NSA and CIA are neither able nor authorized to defend all privately-owned critical infrastructure. While concerns about agency oversight are warranted, I can assure you that spying on the population is not their top priority. It's abundantly clear that foreign threats aren't confined to their own geographies and networks. That can't be addressed without having the capability to look inward. Secure by Design is an initiative led by CISA, which frequently shares guidance and threat reporting from the NSA and their partners. Unfortunately, they also can't unilaterally secure the private sector overnight. These are difficult problems. Critical infrastructure owners and operators need to rise to the challenge we face.
notyourwork 2y ago
The NSA/CIA need to start paying higher salaries to encourage more talent to go into the government sector. I remember in undergrad we had an NSA recruiter come talk to our computer science class. After the discussion, I was able to chat them up on the side and they mentioned salary being the hardest problem with recruiting top talent. Big tech pays too much and government not enough. Where would you go when you graduate?
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  Do they pay too little or have big tech monopolies distorted the market with their firehoses of cash? Bit of both?

Krasnol 2y ago

What war? The digital has been running for quite a while, and there won't be a real one. China has nothing to gain from starting one. I mean seriously...why would you shoot your customer?

rickydroll 2y ago
> I mean seriously...why would you shoot your customer? It depends on your goal. If it is strictly a commercial relationship, “shooting your customer” could be advantageous for preserving a revenue stream. Customer lock-in Could be seen as a form of “shooting your customer" If your goal is political, "shooting your customer" may enable a regime change that is friendlier to you. We have done this multiple times in the Middle East, Central America, and South America.
- lenerdenator 2y ago
  The difference is, China has more have-nots than the US has people. The US is the main source of value creation for China. If Xi wants to not have a coup and be beh... I mean, if Xi wants to guarantee the future prosperity of the PRC, he needs to raise those have-nots out of poverty and the way to do that is by selling stuff to Americans and stealing their IP, not creating a shooting war with a country that has enough nuclear weapons to make this planet uninhabitable to intelligent life for centuries. The US has done what it has done in the regions you list because they're already unstable (particularly the Middle East) and have no way of striking decisive blows against US territory.
  - kiba 2y ago
    The way to do that is to actually have stronger consumption in China, not antagonize the US.

marcosdumay 2y ago

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_bin_ 2y ago
you’re understanding is flawed. the us government exists with the sole purpose of safeguarding American interests and liberty. if collecting chinese’ geolocation helped that, i’d be okay with us doing it. of course, china is objectively worse in that we haven’t actually done this to anyone’s knowledge and given that she built her whole economy off lying, cheating, and stealing. i think you’re mistaking a sentiment of “china is dangerous, her interests specifically contradict ours, and we must permanently cripple her power before she gets worse” for “china is in violation of muh international norm #627!!”

jamesmotherway 2y ago

China-nexus threat actors tend to be focused on espionage, including intellectual property theft. "Prepositioning" is a more recent observation, but it doesn't mean a war is inevitable. While it would be useful in that scenario, in others it may act only as a deterrent. Everyone should hope a war does not occur. The NSA and CIA are neither able nor authorized to defend all privately-owned critical infrastructure. While concerns about agency oversight are warranted, I can assure you that spying on the population is not their top priority. It's abundantly clear that foreign threats aren't confined to their own geographies and networks. That can't be addressed without having the capability to look inward. Secure by Design is an initiative led by CISA, which frequently shares guidance and threat reporting from the NSA and their partners. Unfortunately, they also can't unilaterally secure the private sector overnight. These are difficult problems. Critical infrastructure owners and operators need to rise to the challenge we face.

notyourwork 2y ago

The NSA/CIA need to start paying higher salaries to encourage more talent to go into the government sector. I remember in undergrad we had an NSA recruiter come talk to our computer science class. After the discussion, I was able to chat them up on the side and they mentioned salary being the hardest problem with recruiting top talent. Big tech pays too much and government not enough. Where would you go when you graduate?

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
Do they pay too little or have big tech monopolies distorted the market with their firehoses of cash? Bit of both?