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The other question is why should any normal person want to run Linux as their primary OS except for philosophical reasons? it's free. it's stable. it's easie

by em-bee 2y ago

The other question is why should any normal person want to run Linux as their primary OS except for philosophical reasons? it's free. it's stable. it's easier to use. it doesn't have adds. it uses less resources. it runs on older hardware. it doesn't contain spyware. it doesn't violate my privacy. it includes more powerful features. it offers more alternatives for the GUI. i can trust it because the kernel has been audited. it is way easier to configure to my personal preferences. it allows me to replace or remove any application that i don't like. Mac [...] is genuinely certified UNIX why should any normal person care about that? UNIX is dead. Linux would be a genuinely certified UNIX if anyone would bother to pay for the certification. in fact, at some point someone did: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/293396/is-there-a-linux-distro-thats-unix-certified https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/293396/is-there-a-l...

scarface_74 2y ago
I still have to buy the computer so an OS being “free” is inconsequential and what does “using less resources” get me? Does your computer run for 16 hours+ on one charge? Does it run fast, quiet and cool like my MacBook Air? By the way you can buy a brand new M1 MacBook Air from Walmart for $699. These are still being manufactured by Apple and distributed via third parties. As far as “trusting it” because it has been audited, the Heartbleed bug was part of Linux for years before it was discovered. What “more powerful features” does it have than a typical Mac?
- desumeku 2y ago
  $699, which can buy you approximately 7 used laptops that are worthwhile daily drivers when set up with Linux. You sound like a shill.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    Exactly what are the specs of this $100 laptop? Am I then going to carry around 7 laptops so I can get 14 hours of battery life? Am I going to run a cluster of them when I need to do something worthwhile with them? What exactly do you do “daily” with a $100 laptop? From your past comments, I’m assuming you are developer, are you really using a $100 computer?
    - desumeku 2y ago
      I'm currently posting from a Dell Inspiron 3505 which has an 8-core AMD CPU and 6gb of ram. I got it new for roughly $300 and from quickly looking on ebay can be had for under $200 used. I'm waiting on the mail for a $70 Chromebook with 8gb of ram and a 2-core/4-thread CPU to replace this laptop because of a half-damaged charging port. I picked a Chromebook for the 10+ hour battery life, the same reason you chose a Macbook that costs 10x as much. I use a terminal text editor to write code and I use a web browser for everything else. If it wasn't for browsers being so bloated and desktop applications made with electron, I would be happy to settle with a laptop that had even just 4gb of ram.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        I couldn’t run any decent number of Docker containers on that and if I were doing Android development, the emulator would run like trash. Not to mention how many slow bloated Electron apps or Chrome itself runs on that. I definitely couldn’t do any serious development on a ChromeBook. But you said you care about an ad free experience and privacy and you are okay with hardware and an OS by Google????
        desumeku 2y ago
        If I just needed to run a suite of microservices in Docker containers on a Chromebook, I would have gotten one for $170 instead of $70. I'm not the person who posted about privacy - I consider chasing it a dead and fruitless end. Something will always be watching you. It's mere luck that preferring Linux happens to give me an environment that's mostly private by default except for anything involving the web browser.
        skydhash 2y ago
        I have 16GB of RAM on a 2019 Dell I bought for $140 on ebay and I rarely get past 6GB (mostly browsing and reading pdfs, and the rare WhatsApp tabs). It came with Windows 11 and it was a toaster for the one hour I bear with it. I'm not really keen on privacy, but I draw the line on waste and exploitation. My MBA is much more ergonomic and user friendly, but it's like being with an annoying roommate that insists on sleeping on the same bed and taking shower with you instead of having an appartment all by yourself
itvision 2y ago
> it's free. Over the last 25 years I've spent hundreds of hours fighting with its bugs. Not free by a long shot. > it's stable. Anything but. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues > it's easier to use. You must be joking right? A step in any direction and you must use CLI. > it doesn't have adds. Windows neither has "adds". > it uses less resources. Proofs required. > it runs on older hardware. Good luck using Firefox or Chrome on "older hardware". Good luck watching videos on older hardware that lacks HW H.265/VP9 decoding. Older hardware for what? For NAS? Why would you need desktop Linux on it? > it doesn't contain spyware. Prove that Windows spies on you. And also, Windows is used by NSA/CIA/FBI and pretty much all governments of the world some of which are openly hostile to the US. So much for "spyware". > it doesn't violate my privacy. See earlier. > it includes more powerful features. Examples or bust. > it offers more alternatives for the GUI. Windows has had CLI for aeons and now not just one but many including Bash (WSL). > i can trust it because the kernel has been audited. That's an abject lie. > it is way easier to configure to my personal preferences. And Windows doesn't need configuration as it just works. > it allows me to replace or remove any application that i don't like. What would you like to replace in Windows that's not "replaceable"? Examples or bust.
- skydhash 2y ago
  > What would you like to replace in Windows that's not "replaceable"? Whatever is powering the start menu ads.
  - itvision 2y ago
    Takes literally 2 minutes of Google searching to remove.
  - WithinReason 2y ago
    Those are easy to remove
    - skydhash 2y ago
      Where's the setting and will it survive an update?

by em-bee 2y ago

scarface_74 2y ago

I still have to buy the computer so an OS being “free” is inconsequential and what does “using less resources” get me? Does your computer run for 16 hours+ on one charge? Does it run fast, quiet and cool like my MacBook Air? By the way you can buy a brand new M1 MacBook Air from Walmart for $699. These are still being manufactured by Apple and distributed via third parties. As far as “trusting it” because it has been audited, the Heartbleed bug was part of Linux for years before it was discovered. What “more powerful features” does it have than a typical Mac?

desumeku 2y ago
$699, which can buy you approximately 7 used laptops that are worthwhile daily drivers when set up with Linux. You sound like a shill.
- scarface_74 2y ago
  Exactly what are the specs of this $100 laptop? Am I then going to carry around 7 laptops so I can get 14 hours of battery life? Am I going to run a cluster of them when I need to do something worthwhile with them? What exactly do you do “daily” with a $100 laptop? From your past comments, I’m assuming you are developer, are you really using a $100 computer?
  - desumeku 2y ago
    I'm currently posting from a Dell Inspiron 3505 which has an 8-core AMD CPU and 6gb of ram. I got it new for roughly $300 and from quickly looking on ebay can be had for under $200 used. I'm waiting on the mail for a $70 Chromebook with 8gb of ram and a 2-core/4-thread CPU to replace this laptop because of a half-damaged charging port. I picked a Chromebook for the 10+ hour battery life, the same reason you chose a Macbook that costs 10x as much. I use a terminal text editor to write code and I use a web browser for everything else. If it wasn't for browsers being so bloated and desktop applications made with electron, I would be happy to settle with a laptop that had even just 4gb of ram.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      I couldn’t run any decent number of Docker containers on that and if I were doing Android development, the emulator would run like trash. Not to mention how many slow bloated Electron apps or Chrome itself runs on that. I definitely couldn’t do any serious development on a ChromeBook. But you said you care about an ad free experience and privacy and you are okay with hardware and an OS by Google????
      - desumeku 2y ago
        If I just needed to run a suite of microservices in Docker containers on a Chromebook, I would have gotten one for $170 instead of $70. I'm not the person who posted about privacy - I consider chasing it a dead and fruitless end. Something will always be watching you. It's mere luck that preferring Linux happens to give me an environment that's mostly private by default except for anything involving the web browser.
      - skydhash 2y ago
        I have 16GB of RAM on a 2019 Dell I bought for $140 on ebay and I rarely get past 6GB (mostly browsing and reading pdfs, and the rare WhatsApp tabs). It came with Windows 11 and it was a toaster for the one hour I bear with it. I'm not really keen on privacy, but I draw the line on waste and exploitation. My MBA is much more ergonomic and user friendly, but it's like being with an annoying roommate that insists on sleeping on the same bed and taking shower with you instead of having an appartment all by yourself

itvision 2y ago

> it's free. Over the last 25 years I've spent hundreds of hours fighting with its bugs. Not free by a long shot. > it's stable. Anything but. https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/drm/amd/-/issues > it's easier to use. You must be joking right? A step in any direction and you must use CLI. > it doesn't have adds. Windows neither has "adds". > it uses less resources. Proofs required. > it runs on older hardware. Good luck using Firefox or Chrome on "older hardware". Good luck watching videos on older hardware that lacks HW H.265/VP9 decoding. Older hardware for what? For NAS? Why would you need desktop Linux on it? > it doesn't contain spyware. Prove that Windows spies on you. And also, Windows is used by NSA/CIA/FBI and pretty much all governments of the world some of which are openly hostile to the US. So much for "spyware". > it doesn't violate my privacy. See earlier. > it includes more powerful features. Examples or bust. > it offers more alternatives for the GUI. Windows has had CLI for aeons and now not just one but many including Bash (WSL). > i can trust it because the kernel has been audited. That's an abject lie. > it is way easier to configure to my personal preferences. And Windows doesn't need configuration as it just works. > it allows me to replace or remove any application that i don't like. What would you like to replace in Windows that's not "replaceable"? Examples or bust.

skydhash 2y ago
> What would you like to replace in Windows that's not "replaceable"? Whatever is powering the start menu ads.
- itvision 2y ago
  Takes literally 2 minutes of Google searching to remove.
- WithinReason 2y ago
  Those are easy to remove
  - skydhash 2y ago
    Where's the setting and will it survive an update?