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LineageOS 22

255 points by timschumi 2y ago

Gualdrapo 2y ago
Have I ever got a bigger paycheck I'd donate to them without hesitation. It's because of them (and formerly Cyanogenmod) I got to have my Xperia Z1 for 7+ years, and now this Xperia 1ii for 4 years, each of them were/are doing great because of it. Hope they keep going strong.
- steelframe 2y ago
  I'm still of the opinion that an Xperia Z1 Compact running LineageOS handily outcompetes any cycling computer that Germin or Wahoo has shipped in the past 10 years.
- timschumi 2y ago
  To quote from somewhere else: Just to emphasize this for anyone else who is reading this: Please do not feel obligated to donate. Yes, it is greatly appreciated, since it keeps the lights on a little while longer and allows us to provide builds and host continued development. However, we regard donations as having no strings attached, and the same applies for using the builds that we provide. We will be fine, at the very least for a while. Please think of yourself first.
  - tessierashpool9 2y ago
    "Please think of yourself first." = \s ? Anyway ... I'd totally encourage everybody to donate to opensource projects and/or its maintainers. Whatever the effect may be, but I think that's just simply appropriate.
    - timschumi 2y ago
      Yes, donations are cool, without them there probably wouldn't be as many build servers (among other things). However, if donating means that you have to consider your current paycheck size, then it might be more appropriate to put that idea on the back-burner for a while. If you don't have to make that consideration and/or you feel strongly obligated to donate, then by all means, please do so.
      - tessierashpool9 2y ago
        tim, this is hackernews, everybody here makes six digits! jokes aside - when donating one should of course consider one's paycheck size. you don't have much, give a little; you have more, give a lot.
doublepg23 2y ago
Highly recommend the Samsung S5e Tablet with LineageOS. It’s an amazing tablet for comics and light reading. Hard to beat its high res AMOLED display, incredibly light weight, and decent enough specs (I haven’t personally seen slowdowns when using Lineage on a minimal install). Forgoing gapps gets you crazy standby time. Couple things to note is it doesn’t have a headphone jack (it is legitimately that thin though) and you are required to use Windows to flash the device.
- AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
  Good to know, as I still use an S5e as my comic reader. It's not getting security updates anymore, but to be honest it's not like I'm running banking software on it, so I don't care as much about malware risks as, say, my phone. It's still plenty speedy on stock firmware.
  - gessha 2y ago
    What would be the attack vectors for malware on a tablet? I’m genuinely curious how crucial updates are for older devices.
    - npteljes 2y ago
      For example, there could be a web-based attack that would target unpatched webviews. This could be a maliciously prepared webpage or image on the web, favicon etc, and this piece of data could be distributed by an ad network, for example. So, browsing the internet with an out of date browser or webview could pose this risk. Another issue is escalation. Again, we are in a speculative realm, but if a device is affected like how I described it above, it could then be the foot in the door for other attacks, like scanning the local network, and finding other devices to target, some of which might be also out of date, or be more trusting to a local device, than to an internet device. Like a router, for example, or a NAS with a passwordless LAN file share activated. Another usage of an exploited device is it joining into a botnet, that then is rented out for any purpose the buyer would want, distribution of files, acting as a proxy for others, participating in a DDOS attack. Thing is, most of this is automated actually. The devices on the internet are constantly scanned by automated means for vulnerabilities.
Scene_Cast2 2y ago
I still buy devices based on the likelihood that they will be supported by LineageOS. Good to see them continuing along.
- climb_stealth 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, what do you buy? I had Xiaomi last and bought another one recently and they have made it pretty much impossible to unlock the bootloader. Apparently limited number of unlocks at 12am Beijing time. I have tried a few times, read through all the complaints and the community forums, and Xiaomi can very kindly just fuck off. It used to be really good value for money as the hardware is great. But without flashing it is terrible. Crypto spam ads in system apps and things like that. Am going to sell it again but part of me can't give it to anyone in good conscience.
  - chasil 2y ago
    VoLTE is a huge consideration for older devices, and it is best to avoid Samsung. Pixels are the reference. Whatever you buy, verify VoLTE.
    - climb_stealth 2y ago
      Very true, yes. 4G connectivity is the main reason for me to upgrade. My Poco F1 doesn't support the main 4G frequency used in Australia. So connection and bandwidth is pretty crappy since 3G got sunset. Unfortunately the intersection of phones with headphone plug, SD card slot, decent RAM and hardware, not being huge, and supporting lineageos is pretty much nonexistent nowadays.
  - Scene_Cast2 2y ago
    Oh interesting. I was planning to get a Xiaomi as my next phone; I recently heard that they limited the number of unlocks to one per person per year. I got a OnePlus and a Pixel. Before that it was a ZTE, but they aren't unlock-friendly these days.
    - 2y ago
theandrewbailey 2y ago
Thanks for the link! LineageOS has kept my 7-ish year old Moto X4 working like a champ for most of the time I've had it! As long as it keeps working, I have no intention of getting another phone.
9cb14c1ec0 2y ago
Note that it can take several days or weeks for all the supported devices to get initial public builds made. You can track all the pending build jobs here: https://buildkite.com/lineageos/android/builds?branch=lineage-22.1 https://buildkite.com/lineageos/android/builds?branch=lineag...
- andrekandre 2y ago
  thanks for that, i kept running in circles look for a build of 22 wondering if i was doing something wrong
  - 9cb14c1ec0 2y ago
    I did the same for 21. Now I know better.
- t_mahmood 2y ago
  Oneplus 7T build already up! And damn, it feels really snappy! There seems to be some good optimization on Android 15?
ramon156 2y ago
After another garbage update from Samsung I'm confident I should give it a go. I used it on a OP2 before and it was pretty good, but I curious how much it's matured in 3-4 years
RadiozRadioz 2y ago
For a long time I was far too scared of being excluded from technological society to install this on my only phone, as much as I'd love to. It sickens me that banking apps, and others, depend on proprietary operating systems. What I do instead is have a separate device that I customize to my liking with Lineage, than an iPhone that I keep normal; I have the phone that I actually like to use, then a "normie phone" that's identical to everyone else's so I don't get arbitrarily excluded from things.
- lreeves 2y ago
  I don't have an Android device but surely anything that excludes can just be accessed via web browser? I use my banks mobile website in a mobile browser all the time.
  - bpev 2y ago
    Many times the web browser works, but there are some cases where it doesn't or is just a much worse experience. Or even some apple-specific stuff, like my mom enjoys calling me via facetime. Having the second device just opens up more chances that you have something that works.
  - prmoustache 2y ago
    Sadly for those living in EU many banks forces you to validate online payments with a phone app only. Having said that, most bank apps still work on custom android images. Mine works on grapheneOS.
- bpev 2y ago
  Yupyup I basically keep around an iPad mini for this purpose
genpfault 2y ago
> SeedVault[1] and Etar have both been updated to their newest respective upstream version. What do folks use for backups that's actually useful (full app data + secondary stuff like KeyStore entries) nowadays? [1]: https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/wiki/FAQ#why-do-some-apps-not-allow-to-get-backed-up https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/wiki/FAQ#why-do-s...
- KetoManx64 2y ago
  Swift Backups with root, and then Syncthing that directory of backupw to a home server. When I switch devices I just sync that directory to a new phone, install Swift Backup and do a restore. It's the modern Titanium Backup
  - yownie 2y ago
    This advice may have been exactly what I'm searching for, thank you kind stranger!
Jeaye 2y ago
Yay! Congrats on the release! Any chance I can put this on my new rpi5 or will that require some additonal porting? Currently running 21 by konstakang. I've been trying to build a controller-driven media machine.
orsenthil 2y ago
Can you get this to install on Fire tablets? They are getting cheaper and cheaper, but the utility value without a minimal stock environment is very less.
- notpushkin 2y ago
  There are unofficial builds if you wanna give it a shot.
- n8henrie 2y ago
  Unfortunately most of the older models do not have a way to root them (AFAICT, I've checked in on this occasionally for years). I have a 2017 fire that I was able to get lineage on, but unfortunately it was a mostly broken "test" device. Another 2017 is slightly different and I fried trying to short to ground during the rooting process. I also have 2 slightly newer models that have no root available at all, and are virtually unusable as the stock OS has become so slow (5+ second lag times per tap).
tessierashpool9 2y ago
any insider info on the current state of affairs? is los just barely making by or is there still some enthusiasm. used it for a few years on two oneplus devices and loved it. but - the usual shortcomings and issues requiring workarounds or other adaptions finally led me to the iphone ... i hate ios ... but they just work and especially when traveling i didn't feel like taking any risks with google api integrations for maps and messengers (also camera is just better).
- erzhan89 2y ago
  also switched few weeks ago from Oneplus to se 2022. and currently testing custom roms as eos, calyx.. to find some good alternatives.
panny 2y ago
Nothing against LineageOS, I used it on a Nexus5 and I really liked it. But these days I just buy a Sony Xperia and compile AOSP for myself. https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-devices https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-d...
t14000 2y ago
> Android 15 introduced several complex changes under the hood... > Android’s move to trunk-based development, and the subsequent growth in size of Android’s QPRs (Quarterly Platform Releases) have made our job magnitudes harder! As a byproduct we must rebase our entire code-base every 3 months. > Sadly, Google also has a habit of introducing deprecations or outright removing code that older devices rely on with little advanced notice... Google trying new tactics to move Android from open-source to "source available, lol"?
- zozbot234 2y ago
  > Google trying new tactics to move Android from open-source to "source available, lol"? It seems to be the opposite - more of AOSP internal development moving out into the open. QPR's are getting more frequent releases than the old AOSP code-drops. (Tbh I do think that AOSP has always had way too much churn for a sensible system. A Linux phone should just work, and share as much of its codebase as possible with Linux systems running on other device classes; distributions like pmOS and Mobian - and quite possibly Debian Mobile in the future - are working towards this goal.)
  - throw5959 2y ago
    Android is not "a Linux phone", it just happens to use Linux kernel under the hood. What you're saying was always an explicit anti-goal.
    - surajrmal 2y ago
      This is gatekeeping. Linux is a kernel. You're talking about userspace which is not part of the Linux kernel project.
      - throw5959 2y ago
        What gatekeeping? I'm talking about Android project goals. They never intended to provide any direct userspace access to the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel is supposed to be an implementation detail that can be replaced without breaking app compatibility.
reify 2y ago
Cool My old oneplus 5T battery has just failed and I have bought a second hand Motorola edge 20 pro, which is supported for lineage 22. Installing lineage has not got harder. Only three extra adb commands: fastboot flash dtbo dtbo.img fastboot flash vendor_boot vendor_boot.img and to populate the A-B slots: adb -d sideload copy-partitions-20220613-signed.zip Installation has remained pretty much the same process for years since I first installed it on my old Samsung S4 and motorola G3 and more recently my old pixel 4A and pixel 6A. Long live Lineage I dont like the /e/OS launcher (Bliss) either. Lawnchair is in Droid-ify - izzyondroid repo
nanna 2y ago
How's LineageOS with WhatsApp, Signal and random banking apps these days? Or let me put it another way: anyone running LineageOS but struggled to run any essential apps? (I don't care about games or whatever, I mean the apps you need to get around in life).
- Deukhoofd 2y ago
  I've honestly never run into any problems with apps not working in the last couple of years of using it.
- FuturisticGoo 2y ago
  WhatsApp and Signal run perfectly fine (WhatsApp shows a little warning on first run, that its an unsupported ROM, nothing else). As for banking apps, it depends. Some work, some don't. One way to test it would be to use Waydroid emulator on Linux, which uses Lineage OS image.
- okanat 2y ago
  Whatsapp and Signal are fine. Random banking apps suck because their myopic and incompetent policies around custom OSes. Especially here in Germany where banks and even tech company management see internet as a magic, totally untrustworthy new curiosity. Combined with the overall extreme risk-averse society, basically none of the bank apps from big banks work with custom OSes. All require various levels of "hacking". They use Google SafetyNet as a security guarantee and some outright ban access while letting you use a completely custom Linux PC. There are ways to hack those API calls with various system level interceptors like Magisk. I keep a custom made 2FA code generator from my bank as a backup though.
  - sunaookami 2y ago
    Anecdote: I develop an app for a bank at my job in Germany and I was forced to implement root detection because of some annoying pentest. Everyone agreed that it was just security theater + checkbox compliance but it "had to be done"...
    - 2y ago
aembleton 2y ago
Can I download Twelve from somewhere? I couldn't find it on F-Droid.
- timschumi 2y ago
  Prebuilts of various LineageOS apps are available here: https://www.sebaubuntu.dev/lineageapps.html https://www.sebaubuntu.dev/lineageapps.html
uneekname 2y ago
I bought a 1yo (new in box) OnePlus 11 5G last year and immediately installed LineageOS on it. Great, modern daily driver. My next phone, in many years, will also run LineageOS on day one.
pimterry 2y ago
Love to see the ongoing progress here, but I'm really starting to worry that the growth of attestation on Android will make using custom ROMs like LineageOS impossible in future. Is there any way we can fight this? Feels like there must be some EU/US consumer rights or digital market legislation somewhere that could be used to more directly object to organizations like banks saying "your phone works just fine but we actively block you from using it" especially as mobile apps become more and more obligatory for banking. It's a huge problem just in e-waste of old devices that work fine but can't be used because of the lack of updates. Just one legal case upholding this somewhere would put a huge red flag over it and significantly discourage the whole trend.
- lordofgibbons 2y ago
  Yeah, running GrapheneOS, this has been a big headache for me. And it's incredibly stupid too. The app won't work natively due to a lack of attestation, so I have to fire up the browser and user the service.... Exactly how is that more anti-abuse than just using an app without attestation? It's security theater and has no basis in reality.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    Can you scan a check from your web browser? Maybe I'm wrong, but probably not; frankly, it's a logistical miracle we can do this from our phones and the banks tolerate it, but I can see why they would still want to minimize all risk involved. The second reason though I can think a bank would want attestation is as an anti-piracy measure. With a website, you have HTTPS verifying the identity of the domain. With an app, a pirated app or a 3rd party app from any source could hypothetically intercept user's banking information, their scanned checks, or even attempt to cash their scanned checks itself. It's not about making sure the device is secure, as it is killing attempts at 3rd party, modified, or malicious clients. The last thing I want, or the bank wants, is some grandmother downloading the "Wells Fargo Bank Plus with Giant Legible Accessible Text" app she saw in an ad as an APK, installing it, and being a victim of silent fraud for years. The third reason a bank might want it, is also just simple stupid litigant America. If such a scheme similar to the above were to occur, the bank would likely be sued by victims arguing that the above circumstance was preventable. The victims would also be correct, it was preventable. The bank is then in the unenviable position of telling the jury that supporting the rights of 0.1% of phone modders was more important than victimized grandmothers. Or, as a bank lawyer would say, just turn on attestation, it costs basically nothing, and then none of the above could happen. Better safe than sorry. After all, is the grandmother not also a customer, and preventing malicious clients in her best interest? Sure, some customers will be inconvenienced, but this is America, where anyone depositing more than $10K is subject to an interrogation.
bru3s 2y ago
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steelframe 2y ago
I run LineageOS on an Xperia Z1 Compact that I use as a cycling computer and GrapheneOS as my daily driver. If any business excludes my phone, I exclude that business. The only trouble I run into is when (pseudo-)public institutions such as airlines or municipal parking authorities arbitrarily require apps that only Apple or Google distribute through their DRM-infested frameworks.

255 points by timschumi 2y ago

Have I ever got a bigger paycheck I'd donate to them without hesitation. It's because of them (and formerly Cyanogenmod) I got to have my Xperia Z1 for 7+ years, and now this Xperia 1ii for 4 years, each of them were/are doing great because of it. Hope they keep going strong.

steelframe 2y ago
I'm still of the opinion that an Xperia Z1 Compact running LineageOS handily outcompetes any cycling computer that Germin or Wahoo has shipped in the past 10 years.
timschumi 2y ago
To quote from somewhere else: Just to emphasize this for anyone else who is reading this: Please do not feel obligated to donate. Yes, it is greatly appreciated, since it keeps the lights on a little while longer and allows us to provide builds and host continued development. However, we regard donations as having no strings attached, and the same applies for using the builds that we provide. We will be fine, at the very least for a while. Please think of yourself first.
- tessierashpool9 2y ago
  "Please think of yourself first." = \s ? Anyway ... I'd totally encourage everybody to donate to opensource projects and/or its maintainers. Whatever the effect may be, but I think that's just simply appropriate.
  - timschumi 2y ago
    Yes, donations are cool, without them there probably wouldn't be as many build servers (among other things). However, if donating means that you have to consider your current paycheck size, then it might be more appropriate to put that idea on the back-burner for a while. If you don't have to make that consideration and/or you feel strongly obligated to donate, then by all means, please do so.
    - tessierashpool9 2y ago
      tim, this is hackernews, everybody here makes six digits! jokes aside - when donating one should of course consider one's paycheck size. you don't have much, give a little; you have more, give a lot.

doublepg23 2y ago

Highly recommend the Samsung S5e Tablet with LineageOS. It’s an amazing tablet for comics and light reading. Hard to beat its high res AMOLED display, incredibly light weight, and decent enough specs (I haven’t personally seen slowdowns when using Lineage on a minimal install). Forgoing gapps gets you crazy standby time. Couple things to note is it doesn’t have a headphone jack (it is legitimately that thin though) and you are required to use Windows to flash the device.

AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
Good to know, as I still use an S5e as my comic reader. It's not getting security updates anymore, but to be honest it's not like I'm running banking software on it, so I don't care as much about malware risks as, say, my phone. It's still plenty speedy on stock firmware.
- gessha 2y ago
  What would be the attack vectors for malware on a tablet? I’m genuinely curious how crucial updates are for older devices.
  - npteljes 2y ago
    For example, there could be a web-based attack that would target unpatched webviews. This could be a maliciously prepared webpage or image on the web, favicon etc, and this piece of data could be distributed by an ad network, for example. So, browsing the internet with an out of date browser or webview could pose this risk. Another issue is escalation. Again, we are in a speculative realm, but if a device is affected like how I described it above, it could then be the foot in the door for other attacks, like scanning the local network, and finding other devices to target, some of which might be also out of date, or be more trusting to a local device, than to an internet device. Like a router, for example, or a NAS with a passwordless LAN file share activated. Another usage of an exploited device is it joining into a botnet, that then is rented out for any purpose the buyer would want, distribution of files, acting as a proxy for others, participating in a DDOS attack. Thing is, most of this is automated actually. The devices on the internet are constantly scanned by automated means for vulnerabilities.

Scene_Cast2 2y ago

I still buy devices based on the likelihood that they will be supported by LineageOS. Good to see them continuing along.

climb_stealth 2y ago
Out of curiosity, what do you buy? I had Xiaomi last and bought another one recently and they have made it pretty much impossible to unlock the bootloader. Apparently limited number of unlocks at 12am Beijing time. I have tried a few times, read through all the complaints and the community forums, and Xiaomi can very kindly just fuck off. It used to be really good value for money as the hardware is great. But without flashing it is terrible. Crypto spam ads in system apps and things like that. Am going to sell it again but part of me can't give it to anyone in good conscience.
- chasil 2y ago
  VoLTE is a huge consideration for older devices, and it is best to avoid Samsung. Pixels are the reference. Whatever you buy, verify VoLTE.
  - climb_stealth 2y ago
    Very true, yes. 4G connectivity is the main reason for me to upgrade. My Poco F1 doesn't support the main 4G frequency used in Australia. So connection and bandwidth is pretty crappy since 3G got sunset. Unfortunately the intersection of phones with headphone plug, SD card slot, decent RAM and hardware, not being huge, and supporting lineageos is pretty much nonexistent nowadays.
- Scene_Cast2 2y ago
  Oh interesting. I was planning to get a Xiaomi as my next phone; I recently heard that they limited the number of unlocks to one per person per year. I got a OnePlus and a Pixel. Before that it was a ZTE, but they aren't unlock-friendly these days.
  - 2y ago

theandrewbailey 2y ago

Thanks for the link! LineageOS has kept my 7-ish year old Moto X4 working like a champ for most of the time I've had it! As long as it keeps working, I have no intention of getting another phone.

9cb14c1ec0 2y ago

Note that it can take several days or weeks for all the supported devices to get initial public builds made. You can track all the pending build jobs here: https://buildkite.com/lineageos/android/builds?branch=lineage-22.1 https://buildkite.com/lineageos/android/builds?branch=lineag...

andrekandre 2y ago
thanks for that, i kept running in circles look for a build of 22 wondering if i was doing something wrong
- 9cb14c1ec0 2y ago
  I did the same for 21. Now I know better.
t_mahmood 2y ago
Oneplus 7T build already up! And damn, it feels really snappy! There seems to be some good optimization on Android 15?

ramon156 2y ago

After another garbage update from Samsung I'm confident I should give it a go. I used it on a OP2 before and it was pretty good, but I curious how much it's matured in 3-4 years

RadiozRadioz 2y ago

For a long time I was far too scared of being excluded from technological society to install this on my only phone, as much as I'd love to. It sickens me that banking apps, and others, depend on proprietary operating systems. What I do instead is have a separate device that I customize to my liking with Lineage, than an iPhone that I keep normal; I have the phone that I actually like to use, then a "normie phone" that's identical to everyone else's so I don't get arbitrarily excluded from things.

lreeves 2y ago
I don't have an Android device but surely anything that excludes can just be accessed via web browser? I use my banks mobile website in a mobile browser all the time.
- bpev 2y ago
  Many times the web browser works, but there are some cases where it doesn't or is just a much worse experience. Or even some apple-specific stuff, like my mom enjoys calling me via facetime. Having the second device just opens up more chances that you have something that works.
- prmoustache 2y ago
  Sadly for those living in EU many banks forces you to validate online payments with a phone app only. Having said that, most bank apps still work on custom android images. Mine works on grapheneOS.
bpev 2y ago
Yupyup I basically keep around an iPad mini for this purpose

genpfault 2y ago

> SeedVault[1] and Etar have both been updated to their newest respective upstream version. What do folks use for backups that's actually useful (full app data + secondary stuff like KeyStore entries) nowadays? [1]: https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/wiki/FAQ#why-do-some-apps-not-allow-to-get-backed-up https://github.com/seedvault-app/seedvault/wiki/FAQ#why-do-s...

KetoManx64 2y ago
Swift Backups with root, and then Syncthing that directory of backupw to a home server. When I switch devices I just sync that directory to a new phone, install Swift Backup and do a restore. It's the modern Titanium Backup
- yownie 2y ago
  This advice may have been exactly what I'm searching for, thank you kind stranger!

Jeaye 2y ago

Yay! Congrats on the release! Any chance I can put this on my new rpi5 or will that require some additonal porting? Currently running 21 by konstakang. I've been trying to build a controller-driven media machine.

orsenthil 2y ago

Can you get this to install on Fire tablets? They are getting cheaper and cheaper, but the utility value without a minimal stock environment is very less.

notpushkin 2y ago
There are unofficial builds if you wanna give it a shot.
n8henrie 2y ago
Unfortunately most of the older models do not have a way to root them (AFAICT, I've checked in on this occasionally for years). I have a 2017 fire that I was able to get lineage on, but unfortunately it was a mostly broken "test" device. Another 2017 is slightly different and I fried trying to short to ground during the rooting process. I also have 2 slightly newer models that have no root available at all, and are virtually unusable as the stock OS has become so slow (5+ second lag times per tap).

tessierashpool9 2y ago

any insider info on the current state of affairs? is los just barely making by or is there still some enthusiasm. used it for a few years on two oneplus devices and loved it. but - the usual shortcomings and issues requiring workarounds or other adaptions finally led me to the iphone ... i hate ios ... but they just work and especially when traveling i didn't feel like taking any risks with google api integrations for maps and messengers (also camera is just better).

erzhan89 2y ago
also switched few weeks ago from Oneplus to se 2022. and currently testing custom roms as eos, calyx.. to find some good alternatives.

panny 2y ago

Nothing against LineageOS, I used it on a Nexus5 and I really liked it. But these days I just buy a Sony Xperia and compile AOSP for myself. https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-devices https://developer.sony.com/open-source/aosp-on-xperia-open-d...

t14000 2y ago

> Android 15 introduced several complex changes under the hood... > Android’s move to trunk-based development, and the subsequent growth in size of Android’s QPRs (Quarterly Platform Releases) have made our job magnitudes harder! As a byproduct we must rebase our entire code-base every 3 months. > Sadly, Google also has a habit of introducing deprecations or outright removing code that older devices rely on with little advanced notice... Google trying new tactics to move Android from open-source to "source available, lol"?

zozbot234 2y ago
> Google trying new tactics to move Android from open-source to "source available, lol"? It seems to be the opposite - more of AOSP internal development moving out into the open. QPR's are getting more frequent releases than the old AOSP code-drops. (Tbh I do think that AOSP has always had way too much churn for a sensible system. A Linux phone should just work, and share as much of its codebase as possible with Linux systems running on other device classes; distributions like pmOS and Mobian - and quite possibly Debian Mobile in the future - are working towards this goal.)
- throw5959 2y ago
  Android is not "a Linux phone", it just happens to use Linux kernel under the hood. What you're saying was always an explicit anti-goal.
  - surajrmal 2y ago
    This is gatekeeping. Linux is a kernel. You're talking about userspace which is not part of the Linux kernel project.
    - throw5959 2y ago
      What gatekeeping? I'm talking about Android project goals. They never intended to provide any direct userspace access to the Linux kernel. The Linux kernel is supposed to be an implementation detail that can be replaced without breaking app compatibility.

reify 2y ago

Cool My old oneplus 5T battery has just failed and I have bought a second hand Motorola edge 20 pro, which is supported for lineage 22. Installing lineage has not got harder. Only three extra adb commands: fastboot flash dtbo dtbo.img fastboot flash vendor_boot vendor_boot.img and to populate the A-B slots: adb -d sideload copy-partitions-20220613-signed.zip Installation has remained pretty much the same process for years since I first installed it on my old Samsung S4 and motorola G3 and more recently my old pixel 4A and pixel 6A. Long live Lineage I dont like the /e/OS launcher (Bliss) either. Lawnchair is in Droid-ify - izzyondroid repo

nanna 2y ago

How's LineageOS with WhatsApp, Signal and random banking apps these days? Or let me put it another way: anyone running LineageOS but struggled to run any essential apps? (I don't care about games or whatever, I mean the apps you need to get around in life).

Deukhoofd 2y ago
I've honestly never run into any problems with apps not working in the last couple of years of using it.
FuturisticGoo 2y ago
WhatsApp and Signal run perfectly fine (WhatsApp shows a little warning on first run, that its an unsupported ROM, nothing else). As for banking apps, it depends. Some work, some don't. One way to test it would be to use Waydroid emulator on Linux, which uses Lineage OS image.
okanat 2y ago
Whatsapp and Signal are fine. Random banking apps suck because their myopic and incompetent policies around custom OSes. Especially here in Germany where banks and even tech company management see internet as a magic, totally untrustworthy new curiosity. Combined with the overall extreme risk-averse society, basically none of the bank apps from big banks work with custom OSes. All require various levels of "hacking". They use Google SafetyNet as a security guarantee and some outright ban access while letting you use a completely custom Linux PC. There are ways to hack those API calls with various system level interceptors like Magisk. I keep a custom made 2FA code generator from my bank as a backup though.
- sunaookami 2y ago
  Anecdote: I develop an app for a bank at my job in Germany and I was forced to implement root detection because of some annoying pentest. Everyone agreed that it was just security theater + checkbox compliance but it "had to be done"...
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aembleton 2y ago

Can I download Twelve from somewhere? I couldn't find it on F-Droid.

timschumi 2y ago
Prebuilts of various LineageOS apps are available here: https://www.sebaubuntu.dev/lineageapps.html https://www.sebaubuntu.dev/lineageapps.html

uneekname 2y ago

I bought a 1yo (new in box) OnePlus 11 5G last year and immediately installed LineageOS on it. Great, modern daily driver. My next phone, in many years, will also run LineageOS on day one.

pimterry 2y ago

Love to see the ongoing progress here, but I'm really starting to worry that the growth of attestation on Android will make using custom ROMs like LineageOS impossible in future. Is there any way we can fight this? Feels like there must be some EU/US consumer rights or digital market legislation somewhere that could be used to more directly object to organizations like banks saying "your phone works just fine but we actively block you from using it" especially as mobile apps become more and more obligatory for banking. It's a huge problem just in e-waste of old devices that work fine but can't be used because of the lack of updates. Just one legal case upholding this somewhere would put a huge red flag over it and significantly discourage the whole trend.

lordofgibbons 2y ago
Yeah, running GrapheneOS, this has been a big headache for me. And it's incredibly stupid too. The app won't work natively due to a lack of attestation, so I have to fire up the browser and user the service.... Exactly how is that more anti-abuse than just using an app without attestation? It's security theater and has no basis in reality.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  Can you scan a check from your web browser? Maybe I'm wrong, but probably not; frankly, it's a logistical miracle we can do this from our phones and the banks tolerate it, but I can see why they would still want to minimize all risk involved. The second reason though I can think a bank would want attestation is as an anti-piracy measure. With a website, you have HTTPS verifying the identity of the domain. With an app, a pirated app or a 3rd party app from any source could hypothetically intercept user's banking information, their scanned checks, or even attempt to cash their scanned checks itself. It's not about making sure the device is secure, as it is killing attempts at 3rd party, modified, or malicious clients. The last thing I want, or the bank wants, is some grandmother downloading the "Wells Fargo Bank Plus with Giant Legible Accessible Text" app she saw in an ad as an APK, installing it, and being a victim of silent fraud for years. The third reason a bank might want it, is also just simple stupid litigant America. If such a scheme similar to the above were to occur, the bank would likely be sued by victims arguing that the above circumstance was preventable. The victims would also be correct, it was preventable. The bank is then in the unenviable position of telling the jury that supporting the rights of 0.1% of phone modders was more important than victimized grandmothers. Or, as a bank lawyer would say, just turn on attestation, it costs basically nothing, and then none of the above could happen. Better safe than sorry. After all, is the grandmother not also a customer, and preventing malicious clients in her best interest? Sure, some customers will be inconvenienced, but this is America, where anyone depositing more than $10K is subject to an interrogation.

bru3s 2y ago

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steelframe 2y ago

I run LineageOS on an Xperia Z1 Compact that I use as a cycling computer and GrapheneOS as my daily driver. If any business excludes my phone, I exclude that business. The only trouble I run into is when (pseudo-)public institutions such as airlines or municipal parking authorities arbitrarily require apps that only Apple or Google distribute through their DRM-infested frameworks.