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They certainly don’t. We’re talking about apps like Phone, Messages, Photos, Files and system stuff like app tracking (Screen Time etc.).

by oefrha 2y ago

JKCalhoun 2y ago
When you first set up an iPhone (and other hardware like AirPods, for example) you are asked whether to share anonymized usage data with Apple. Saying "No" at that screen turns off a whole swath of data collection. I wonder what specific examples you are aware of that are not disabled in this manner?
- oefrha 2y ago
  No one's talking about "anonymous usage data". The topic at question is primary data available to first party apps (even if they remain on device), often synced to iCloud and available to say, Siri. I'm sure I accepted a bunch of EULAs when turning on iCloud and Siri, but Facebook will argue they've shown you their EULA too. That's not "request permissions the same way third party apps do", and some of the data can't even be requested through normal permission prompts, which is why Meta is forcing Apple's hand with the EU stuff.
  - F7F7F7 2y ago
    This argument is silly and goes well beyond the spirit of the EU law. As if Meta has to suddenly show Apple all of its goods now too. Giving Apple access to all Facebook or Instagram data and letting them decide where to draw the line. Stop letting the distaste for Apple effect reason and sanity.
    - luckylion 2y ago
      > Giving Apple access to all Facebook or Instagram data and letting them decide where to draw the line. Meta is running an app store on Instagram that Apple is using?
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- mdhb 2y ago
  Apple turned on a “feature” without announcing it that would send data about every single on your private photos to their servers recently. https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lefytgfxuk2y https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lef...
  - F7F7F7 2y ago
    And…?
  - JKCalhoun 2y ago
    Yeah, I suspect this AI thing is going to be a fork in the road for Apple. The buzz is that AI is amazing and with everyone tripping over themselves to add it to their products, marketing is going to be asking for things quickly and dismissing any pushback on perceived privacy. If enough blogs expose these things (if they are actual privacy concerns — I mean I am already storing the photos themselves on Apple's iCloud, so) then I expect Apple to back off and make the feature opt-in in an upcoming release.

They certainly don’t. We’re talking about apps like Phone, Messages, Photos, Files and system stuff like app tracking (Screen Time etc.).

by oefrha 2y ago

They certainly don’t. We’re talking about apps like Phone, Messages, Photos, Files and system stuff like app tracking (Screen Time etc.).

JKCalhoun 2y ago

When you first set up an iPhone (and other hardware like AirPods, for example) you are asked whether to share anonymized usage data with Apple. Saying "No" at that screen turns off a whole swath of data collection. I wonder what specific examples you are aware of that are not disabled in this manner?

oefrha 2y ago
No one's talking about "anonymous usage data". The topic at question is primary data available to first party apps (even if they remain on device), often synced to iCloud and available to say, Siri. I'm sure I accepted a bunch of EULAs when turning on iCloud and Siri, but Facebook will argue they've shown you their EULA too. That's not "request permissions the same way third party apps do", and some of the data can't even be requested through normal permission prompts, which is why Meta is forcing Apple's hand with the EU stuff.
- F7F7F7 2y ago
  This argument is silly and goes well beyond the spirit of the EU law. As if Meta has to suddenly show Apple all of its goods now too. Giving Apple access to all Facebook or Instagram data and letting them decide where to draw the line. Stop letting the distaste for Apple effect reason and sanity.
  - luckylion 2y ago
    > Giving Apple access to all Facebook or Instagram data and letting them decide where to draw the line. Meta is running an app store on Instagram that Apple is using?
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mdhb 2y ago
Apple turned on a “feature” without announcing it that would send data about every single on your private photos to their servers recently. https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lefytgfxuk2y https://bsky.app/profile/matthewdgreen.bsky.social/post/3lef...
- F7F7F7 2y ago
  And…?
- JKCalhoun 2y ago
  Yeah, I suspect this AI thing is going to be a fork in the road for Apple. The buzz is that AI is amazing and with everyone tripping over themselves to add it to their products, marketing is going to be asking for things quickly and dismissing any pushback on perceived privacy. If enough blogs expose these things (if they are actual privacy concerns — I mean I am already storing the photos themselves on Apple's iCloud, so) then I expect Apple to back off and make the feature opt-in in an upcoming release.