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> keeping AirBnB trash out of residential communities Why not ban the activities you would classify as “trash” (presumably obnoxious behaviour) which can come

by voisin 2y ago

> keeping AirBnB trash out of residential communities Why not ban the activities you would classify as “trash” (presumably obnoxious behaviour) which can come from owners or short or long term renters, rather than focus on short term renters only? It seems akin to banning driving from bars, rather than banning drunk driving.

Arainach 2y ago
The mere existence of short term rentals is a societal and neighborhood-level problems. Banning the behaviors requires enforcement every time. It means someone has to sit around, suffer the problem, document it, go through processes to create a violation, maybe fine the owner (who will likely contest it and waste more time and money), and then still probably be unable to collect. Then the short term renter leaves, a new one comes in, and all the neighbors get the same problem over and over. Endless suffering and endless work. In Washington state, our HOA has talked to multiple management firms familiar with the case law who say that unless an owner is behind on dues, and unless unpaid fines are in the high thousands of dollars, there is no consequence for the homeowners not paying the fines and we have no way to collect.
nradov 2y ago
Obnoxious behavior is already banned but it's a huge hassle to have to call the police about littering or excessive noise, and often the police don't even respond. Much easier to just keep the trashy people out in the first place by banning short-term rentals. They can go stay in a hotel instead.
duxup 2y ago
Because the activities are often being done by people who aren't there long and don't care if it is not allowed or not. Speeding, noise, trash left out or just littering, illegal parking is all already against the rules, but enforcement for nuisance stuff is never strong enough to really even impact someone who does it ... and knows they'll be gone soon.
xboxnolifes 2y ago
Because it's far more enforceable.

by voisin 2y ago

Arainach 2y ago

The mere existence of short term rentals is a societal and neighborhood-level problems. Banning the behaviors requires enforcement every time. It means someone has to sit around, suffer the problem, document it, go through processes to create a violation, maybe fine the owner (who will likely contest it and waste more time and money), and then still probably be unable to collect. Then the short term renter leaves, a new one comes in, and all the neighbors get the same problem over and over. Endless suffering and endless work. In Washington state, our HOA has talked to multiple management firms familiar with the case law who say that unless an owner is behind on dues, and unless unpaid fines are in the high thousands of dollars, there is no consequence for the homeowners not paying the fines and we have no way to collect.

nradov 2y ago

Obnoxious behavior is already banned but it's a huge hassle to have to call the police about littering or excessive noise, and often the police don't even respond. Much easier to just keep the trashy people out in the first place by banning short-term rentals. They can go stay in a hotel instead.

duxup 2y ago

Because the activities are often being done by people who aren't there long and don't care if it is not allowed or not. Speeding, noise, trash left out or just littering, illegal parking is all already against the rules, but enforcement for nuisance stuff is never strong enough to really even impact someone who does it ... and knows they'll be gone soon.

xboxnolifes 2y ago

Because it's far more enforceable.