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FDR doesn't make the cut?

by bdndndndbve 2y ago

WalterBright 2y ago
FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.
- emchammer 2y ago
  One of these persons came to speak to my class when I was in elementary school. She was an elderly woman by then. She told us about her daily life in one of these concentration camps. I don't remember much. She definitely told us about the wooden buildings, and only being allowed to bring in what possessions they could carry in a suitcase. I think she also said that they recited the Pledge of Allegiance.
  - lelandfe 2y ago
    My parents took my siblings and I as children to Manzanar, which has been kept close to its original state. The brutality sits with me. Swarms of mosquitos bit at our family, clouds of dust made it hard to keep eyes open. It was blazing hot, over 100º, so the dust hurt. Rows of squat, decrepit hovels stretched out across the desolate sand towards the mountains. You could see the desert through floors. Barbed wire fences, mounted guns on guard towers. 10,000 American citizens imprisoned in conditions worse than a zoo.
- eastbound 2y ago
  I’m not in USA and I don’t know about this story. Do you have a name for it so I can search?
  - qart 2y ago
    I'm not American either. I think he means Executive Order 9066 signed by Franklin D. Roosevelt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - astura 2y ago
    It's commonly known as "Japanese Internment" or "Japanese-American Internment." But, honestly, you can just Google the full text of the comment and the correct results display (at least for me in incognito mode). Actor George Takei was among the victims, and he's written about his experiences https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245844347/george-takei-my-lost-freedom-picture-book https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245844347/george-takei-my-lo...
- redwall_hp 2y ago
  This includes real estate that is worth many billions now. The west coast was heavily farmed by Asian Americans, who lost their property to people who are still profiting from the theft to this day. The family behind Kokuho Rose, a popular California sushi rice strain, was affected by this. While they didn't lose the land in the end, it was still stripped of anything of value and left to decay by their neighbors while they were in the camp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koda_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koda_Farms A Japanese American has also been credited with kicking off the California wine industry, and similarly had his land stolen during that era. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20221113-kanaye-nagasawa-the-samurai-who-forever-changed-california https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20221113-kanaye-nagasawa-...
jdewerd 2y ago
Oh, he only busted the Great Depression, won WWII, built half of the infrastructure that we keep kicking the expiration date on, and negotiated 80% of the beneficial fine print in your employment contract. Don't you think he could have done a bit more? My list would be: 1. FDR, 2. Carter, 3. Teddy. Carter because he sacrificed his career to fix inflation (Republican attempts to rewrite history notwithstanding), and Teddy because he wasn't merely an excellent man with excellent politics, but also because whenever present-day Republicans try to claim the man without claiming his politics I can turn it into a teachable moment, and putting him on a list with the other two is the perfect bait.
- brailsafe 2y ago
  > won WWII or so Hollywood would have us believe
  - kridsdale1 2y ago
    Sure, the parts Stalin didn’t win.
    - sanderjd 2y ago
      FDR, Stalin, and Churchill all won that war. History is super messy!
      - gschizas 2y ago
        So did Hitler. I mean, he did end up killing Hitler, that's gotta count for something!
      - brailsafe 2y ago
        Team America to the rescue! But it does seem like without FDR it would have been won for the allies anyway.
        sanderjd 2y ago
zeroonetwothree 2y ago
FDR did Japanese internment, tried court packing, and was arguably the first of the modern style of power-hungry president. He constantly threatened members of Congress that didn’t roll over and go along with his agenda. To that end he was very influential but not entirely in a good way. He hardly ended the depression, economic conditions were poor until WW2 (eg look at the 1937 downturn, well into his tenure).
- fakedang 2y ago
  Exactly. FDR is the reason that the President today has an unbalanced amount of power compared to Congress. That being said, back then, I would argue that the situation would have been very different had a lesser person than FDR been elected president, given the kind of political climate it was around the world.
  - glial 2y ago
    > FDR is the reason Well, and also every administration and Congress after him for not changing it back.
potato3732842 2y ago
I think imprisoning US citizens based on race and laying the groundwork for the current healthcare system disqualifies one from the podium.
rayiner 2y ago
When historians study the U.S. a thousand years in the future his presidency will be the demarcation line between the Anglo-American Republic and the semi-democracy we live in now.
- tptacek 2y ago
  Jesus Christ, dude.

FDR doesn't make the cut?

WalterBright 2y ago

FDR stripped 110,000 Americans of their property and herded them into concentration camps.

emchammer 2y ago
One of these persons came to speak to my class when I was in elementary school. She was an elderly woman by then. She told us about her daily life in one of these concentration camps. I don't remember much. She definitely told us about the wooden buildings, and only being allowed to bring in what possessions they could carry in a suitcase. I think she also said that they recited the Pledge of Allegiance.
- lelandfe 2y ago
  My parents took my siblings and I as children to Manzanar, which has been kept close to its original state. The brutality sits with me. Swarms of mosquitos bit at our family, clouds of dust made it hard to keep eyes open. It was blazing hot, over 100º, so the dust hurt. Rows of squat, decrepit hovels stretched out across the desolate sand towards the mountains. You could see the desert through floors. Barbed wire fences, mounted guns on guard towers. 10,000 American citizens imprisoned in conditions worse than a zoo.
eastbound 2y ago
I’m not in USA and I don’t know about this story. Do you have a name for it so I can search?
- qart 2y ago
  I'm not American either. I think he means Executive Order 9066 signed by Franklin D. Roosevelt. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_America...
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- astura 2y ago
  It's commonly known as "Japanese Internment" or "Japanese-American Internment." But, honestly, you can just Google the full text of the comment and the correct results display (at least for me in incognito mode). Actor George Takei was among the victims, and he's written about his experiences https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245844347/george-takei-my-lost-freedom-picture-book https://www.npr.org/2024/04/20/1245844347/george-takei-my-lo...
redwall_hp 2y ago
This includes real estate that is worth many billions now. The west coast was heavily farmed by Asian Americans, who lost their property to people who are still profiting from the theft to this day. The family behind Kokuho Rose, a popular California sushi rice strain, was affected by this. While they didn't lose the land in the end, it was still stripped of anything of value and left to decay by their neighbors while they were in the camp. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koda_Farms https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koda_Farms A Japanese American has also been credited with kicking off the California wine industry, and similarly had his land stolen during that era. https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20221113-kanaye-nagasawa-the-samurai-who-forever-changed-california https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20221113-kanaye-nagasawa-...

jdewerd 2y ago

Oh, he only busted the Great Depression, won WWII, built half of the infrastructure that we keep kicking the expiration date on, and negotiated 80% of the beneficial fine print in your employment contract. Don't you think he could have done a bit more? My list would be: 1. FDR, 2. Carter, 3. Teddy. Carter because he sacrificed his career to fix inflation (Republican attempts to rewrite history notwithstanding), and Teddy because he wasn't merely an excellent man with excellent politics, but also because whenever present-day Republicans try to claim the man without claiming his politics I can turn it into a teachable moment, and putting him on a list with the other two is the perfect bait.

brailsafe 2y ago
> won WWII or so Hollywood would have us believe
- kridsdale1 2y ago
  Sure, the parts Stalin didn’t win.
  - sanderjd 2y ago
    FDR, Stalin, and Churchill all won that war. History is super messy!
    - gschizas 2y ago
      So did Hitler. I mean, he did end up killing Hitler, that's gotta count for something!
    - brailsafe 2y ago
      Team America to the rescue! But it does seem like without FDR it would have been won for the allies anyway.
      - sanderjd 2y ago

zeroonetwothree 2y ago

FDR did Japanese internment, tried court packing, and was arguably the first of the modern style of power-hungry president. He constantly threatened members of Congress that didn’t roll over and go along with his agenda. To that end he was very influential but not entirely in a good way. He hardly ended the depression, economic conditions were poor until WW2 (eg look at the 1937 downturn, well into his tenure).

fakedang 2y ago
Exactly. FDR is the reason that the President today has an unbalanced amount of power compared to Congress. That being said, back then, I would argue that the situation would have been very different had a lesser person than FDR been elected president, given the kind of political climate it was around the world.
- glial 2y ago
  > FDR is the reason Well, and also every administration and Congress after him for not changing it back.

potato3732842 2y ago

I think imprisoning US citizens based on race and laying the groundwork for the current healthcare system disqualifies one from the podium.

rayiner 2y ago

When historians study the U.S. a thousand years in the future his presidency will be the demarcation line between the Anglo-American Republic and the semi-democracy we live in now.

tptacek 2y ago
Jesus Christ, dude.