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"No more regime change wars" is literally accused of being a populist slogan.

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
I'm not sure what you mean. In the US, anyone can accuse anything of being a populist slogan, and there's generally no penalties for repeating or adhering to a slogan someone else feels is populist. I've never faced even mild consequences for my vocal belief that the US should stop fighting regime change wars.
- pydry 2y ago
  Try leaking evidence of a war crime. Something we would consider heroic if a Russian or Chinese dissident did it. You will get nailed to a tree.
  - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
    I've faced no consequences at all for repeatedly telling people that the US has committed war crimes and pointing them to evidence of said war crimes. It's true, of course, that you'll go to jail for a bit if you obtain a security clearance and then violate it, but even then I don't think it's reasonable to characterize that as "nailed to a tree". Chelsea Manning lives freely in the US and is quite popular in some circles; my understanding is that China generally imposes the death penalty for similar leaks (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/china-hands-death-sentence-to-state-secrets-leaker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/china-hands-death-s...).
    - janalsncm 2y ago
      > Chelsea Manning lives freely in the US This leaves out the fact that the President of the United States commuted her sentence. She was originally sentenced to 35 years in maximum security prison, which is longer than some murder sentences. If your point is that speaking out against the government carries fewer penalties in the US than China, we should assume whistleblowers will receive the full punishment for doing so. While a 35 year sentence is probably better than a death sentence, its not something I would plant a flag in.
      - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
        You're being intentionally obtuse and I'm not interested in engaging with it any further.
- wumeow 2y ago
  They mean “no more regime change wars” is a popular, mainstream opinion.

I'm not sure what you mean. In the US, anyone can accuse anything of being a populist slogan, and there's generally no penalties for repeating or adhering to a slogan someone else feels is populist. I've never faced even mild consequences for my vocal belief that the US should stop fighting regime change wars.

pydry 2y ago
Try leaking evidence of a war crime. Something we would consider heroic if a Russian or Chinese dissident did it. You will get nailed to a tree.
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  I've faced no consequences at all for repeatedly telling people that the US has committed war crimes and pointing them to evidence of said war crimes. It's true, of course, that you'll go to jail for a bit if you obtain a security clearance and then violate it, but even then I don't think it's reasonable to characterize that as "nailed to a tree". Chelsea Manning lives freely in the US and is quite popular in some circles; my understanding is that China generally imposes the death penalty for similar leaks (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/china-hands-death-sentence-to-state-secrets-leaker https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/china-hands-death-s...).
  - janalsncm 2y ago
    > Chelsea Manning lives freely in the US This leaves out the fact that the President of the United States commuted her sentence. She was originally sentenced to 35 years in maximum security prison, which is longer than some murder sentences. If your point is that speaking out against the government carries fewer penalties in the US than China, we should assume whistleblowers will receive the full punishment for doing so. While a 35 year sentence is probably better than a death sentence, its not something I would plant a flag in.
    - SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
      You're being intentionally obtuse and I'm not interested in engaging with it any further.
wumeow 2y ago
They mean “no more regime change wars” is a popular, mainstream opinion.