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OK but $10/TB has gotta be like >99% profit margin for AWS. After massively jacking up their prices, Hetzner internet egress is only €1/TB. Also AWS encourages

by themgt 2y ago

OK but $10/TB has gotta be like >99% profit margin for AWS. After massively jacking up their prices, Hetzner internet egress is only €1/TB. Also AWS encourages / in some cases practically forces you to do multi-AZ. I remember switching to autoscaling spot instances to save a few bucks, then occasionally spot spinup would fail due to lack of availability within an AZ so I enabled multi-AZ spot. Then got hit with the inter-AZ bandwidth charges and wasn't actually saving any money vs single-AZ reserved. This was about the point I decided DIY Kubernetes was simpler to reason about.

everfrustrated 2y ago
Apples and Oranges. Hetzner doesn't even have multiple AZ's by AWS's definition - all Hetzners DCs eg Falkenstein 1-14 would be the same AZ zone. AWS network is designed with a lot more internal capacity and reliability than Hetzner which costs a lot more - multiple uplinks to independent switches, etc. AWS is also buying current gen network gear which is much more pricey - Hetzner is mostly doing 1 Gig ports or 10 gig at a push which means they can get away with >10 year old switches (if you think they buy new switches I have a bridge you might be interested in buying). This costs at least an order of magnitude more.
- iscoelho 2y ago
  I agree with this post that Hetzner is a bad example. They are focused on a budget deployment. I do not agree that a state-of-the-art high capacity deployment is as expensive as you think it is. If an organization pays MSRP on everything, has awful procurement with nonexistent negotiation, and multiple project failures, sure, maybe. In the real world though, we're not all working for the federal government (-:
- dantillberg 2y ago
  While your caveats are all noteworthy, I'll add that Hetzner also offers unlimited/free bandwidth between their datacenters in Germany and Finland. That's sort of like AWS offering free data transfer between us-east-1 and us-east-2.

by themgt 2y ago

everfrustrated 2y ago

Apples and Oranges. Hetzner doesn't even have multiple AZ's by AWS's definition - all Hetzners DCs eg Falkenstein 1-14 would be the same AZ zone. AWS network is designed with a lot more internal capacity and reliability than Hetzner which costs a lot more - multiple uplinks to independent switches, etc. AWS is also buying current gen network gear which is much more pricey - Hetzner is mostly doing 1 Gig ports or 10 gig at a push which means they can get away with >10 year old switches (if you think they buy new switches I have a bridge you might be interested in buying). This costs at least an order of magnitude more.

iscoelho 2y ago
I agree with this post that Hetzner is a bad example. They are focused on a budget deployment. I do not agree that a state-of-the-art high capacity deployment is as expensive as you think it is. If an organization pays MSRP on everything, has awful procurement with nonexistent negotiation, and multiple project failures, sure, maybe. In the real world though, we're not all working for the federal government (-:
dantillberg 2y ago
While your caveats are all noteworthy, I'll add that Hetzner also offers unlimited/free bandwidth between their datacenters in Germany and Finland. That's sort of like AWS offering free data transfer between us-east-1 and us-east-2.