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Interesting that everyone in the prune thread thinks bird strike is not the likely cause, but something else
by nextworddev 2y ago
Interesting that everyone in the prune thread thinks bird strike is not the likely cause, but something else
- madaxe_again 2y agoDoesn’t seem to be unanimous - reading through, one working hypothesis is that the pilots were incapacitated or killed by bird strike - not impossible - and someone else was attempting landing.
- nextworddev 2y agoMaybe I’m missing something - how would pilots sitting inside the plane be incapacitated by birds on the outside
- dannyw 2y agoPlanes fly very fast Commercial airliner windows are chemically strengthened and designed to withstand bird strikes, but it’s not impossible if you’re really unlucky. See here for another plane with weaker glass: https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/12iqve4/pilot_keeps_his_cool_after_bird_broke_his/ https://old.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/12iqve4/...
- nextworddev 2y agoAh thanks. But even then, there’s two pilots for redundancy, so it would take an extreme event that both pilots got knocked out..?
- TypingOutBugs 2y agoIt won’t be this. People on that forum talk about hitting many more birds at much higher speeds with much less issues. The landing gear should have been deployed before the strike too? Happened at 200 meters I believe?
- tim333 2y agoThat was a light aircraft with a very different windscreen. The ones in airliners are very tough.
- Moru 2y agoSomeone not familiar with the front windshield of cars might think they go straight through. Don't think airplanes have any less strong windshields than cars. A deep-frozen bird hitting the windshield straight on might be a problem but a live bird hitting at less than 45 degrees is not a problem for the plane or the pilots. The bird becomes red mist.
- aeonik 2y agoDepends on the size of the bird. They can definitely go through plane windshields. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f40a81ebb9201ba52c7e3a5ea6fa172f-lq https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f40a81ebb9201ba52c7e3...
- kelnos 2y agoI don't think you can directly compare the windshields on a plane like that with a 737NG.
- rwyinuse 2y agoExtremely unlikely considering the speed of the aircraft at the time of bird impact, and the fact the cockpit door is locked & it would take some time from others to enter it. To me this seems more like pilots mishandling the situation after an engine failure caused by bird strike...
- trollied 2y agoThe previous worst Korean air disaster was mostly caused by crew communication failures. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_801 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Flight_801 I'll add that I'm not saying that is a factor in this at all - the accident report will do that in time.
- wbkang 2y agoThis is from more than 25 years ago, there has been big changes since then.
- tedd4u 2y agoI'm glad to hear there have been big changes. However, there is a more recent accident associated with a Korean operator: Asiana flight 214 crash at SFO in 2013. The NTSB identified poor crew communication and crew resource management as important factors. Reuters and AFP reported negative repetitional impact to Korean air carriers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asiana_Airlines_Flight_214
- Arn_Thor 2y agoThey seemed perfectly lined up with the runway and descended at the right pace though. That’d be real tough for a non-pilot to achieve.
- antonium 2y agoThere are auto-landing systems now. There was a video of a layman in a pilot seat (in a professional simulator) guided over radio landing plane with just few simple actions. Here, found it - https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1dhi0x1/guy_with_no_experience_flying_planes_simulates/ https://old.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/1dhi0...
- amelius 2y agoIn every airliner model?
- eps 2y agoYes, of course. Even in paper ones.
- TypingOutBugs 2y agoThen they’d have lost comms with the ATC which would have been mentioned by now surely? With two pilots incapacitated in a go-around procedure?
- Arn_Thor 2y agoSure but that needs to be set up and configured. I just don’t think there’s enough time in the scenario for ATC to guide a non-pilot to do it. And if they got that guidance, why no flaps and gears? I am quite convinced the pilots themselves had control of the aircraft.
- diggan 2y ago"Top Answer" as of right now seems to say they were trying to go around but failed and tried to get out again, but "probably" with one engine because of "bird ingestion".
- eszed 2y agoThe speculation in this answer also seems plausible: https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/663324-jeju-737-800-crash-muan-airport-south-korea.html#post11795924 https://www.pprune.org/accidents-close-calls/663324-jeju-737...
- anshumankmr 2y agoIANAP but from what I know a plane can theoretically fly on one engine.
- tekla 2y agoBasically every commercial aircraft are required to at least be able to fly straight and level on one engine. The 737 NG can climb perfectly fine on a single engine, especially since this one was at the destination and would have burned off most of the fuel.
- echoangle 2y ago> Basically every commercial aircraft are required to at least be able to fly straight and level on one engine. Very nitpicky but I have to say it: The requirement is „one engine out“, not „one engine available“. This makes a significant difference when looking at planes with more than 2 engines, like a 747 or an A380. Those have to be flyable with 3 engines remaining (which gives them an advantage because 2 engine planes have to calculate takeoff with 1/2 engine performance while 4 engine planes can assume 3/4 engine performance).
- golly_ned 2y agoThe article itself says the landing gear wasn't deployed. > Yonhap reported that the landing gear of the Boeing Co. 737-800 jet malfunctioned, causing it to land on its belly without its wheels deployed. It then hit a wall at the end of the runway. From all the speculation about birds I'm guessing the article was updated with this after many of these comments.