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He’s telling you that they violate IP law extensively in products that don’t leave the country. It’s a lot cheaper to mass produce cheap WiFi chips when you ca
by tw04 2y ago
He’s telling you that they violate IP law extensively in products that don’t leave the country. It’s a lot cheaper to mass produce cheap WiFi chips when you can do it with stolen IP.
- userbinator 2y agoThey have a very different view of IP than the west. Sharing is the norm.
- dgfitz 2y agoDoes that work for other things? Can I just say “I had a different view of that” and get away with whatever it was?
- vbezhenar 2y agoFor many people, information and physical items are completely different entities. When you steal bottle of milk, the original owner loses access to it. When you copy information without permission, the original owner keeps the access to it. So they have completely different attitude to those two behaviours.
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> For many people, information and physical items are completely different entities. When you steal bottle of milk, the original owner loses access to it. When you copy information without permission, the original owner keeps the access to it. Relevant: Copying Is Not Theft https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeTybKL1pM4 Copying is not theft. Stealing a thing leaves one less left Copying it makes one thing more; that’s what copying’s for. Copying is not theft. If I copy yours you have it too One for me and one for you That’s what copies can do If I steal your bicycle you have to take the bus, but if I just copy it there’s one for each of us! Making more of a thing, that is what we call “copying” Sharing ideas with everyone That’s why copying is FUN!
- vel0city 2y agoSo what I can walk into any store and walk out with a cart full and not pay and it's all good, sharing is the norm? I can just walk into any apartment complex and move into any unit without pay since sharing is the norm?
- Hasnep 2y agoNo, that's not what anyone said. The conversation is about copyright...
- vel0city 2y agoSo it's not that "sharing is the norm" it's a difference in the understanding of ownership and property rights. Otherwise why not share the food and share the housing, since sharing is the norm and not the exception when it comes to property rights? Otherwise why is sharing the norm in one small specific instance and not the rest?
- Liftyee 2y agoThe original statement was in the context of IP. In this case, no one has anything taken away when it is shared. Sharing physical goods requires them to be taken from somewhere/someone... not so much for digital information, which can be duplicated infinitely.
- semiquaver 2y agoThis is a funny comment in the context of a discussion about a (nominally) communist country.
- BenjiWiebe 2y agoWell, those things aren't IP. Maybe you could take pictures of all the pages in a book in a bookstore?
- vel0city 2y agoSo only intellectual property is shared? Doesn't sound to me like sharing is the norm when it only applies to one category of goods.
- userbinator 2y agoRead this if you don't believe me: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2014/from-gongkai-to-open-source/ https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/2014/from-gongkai-to-open...
- Brian_K_White 2y ago"sharing is the norm" means publishing. Taking is the norm.
- tw04 2y agoWhich is super weird, because Xioami isn’t “sharing” their proprietary OS with any other phone manufacturers. CATL isn’t “sharing” any of their battery IP with competitors. They consider it trade secret and will actively pursue recourse inside or out of China. What is apparent is they use cultural misunderstanding to justify stealing IP, even though they actively try to protect their own inside and outside of the country. https://www.ess-news.com/2024/10/28/calb-sues-catl-over-patent-infringement-in-escalating-battery-rivalry/ https://www.ess-news.com/2024/10/28/calb-sues-catl-over-pate...
- tialaramex 2y agoIt's normal. IIRC Early America didn't have Copyright or other protections, they were added later once it was making its own works and had skin in the game.
- azinman2 2y agoSo now that China has skin in the game, will they very soon stop stealing IP by your logic?
- wildzzz 2y agoCopyright and patents have been a part of the US since before day one. It's in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution and was even part of the Articles of Confederation. Patents were established even before Columbus.
- tw04 2y agoWhat about it is normal? "Early America" allowed copyright infringement on American soil as long as the IP was stolen from foreign nations, but simultaneously enforced IP nationally and internationally on any claims made by a US company? Do you have some examples of this? Because I hear it parroted a lot and yet the only thing people can point to is "but the US stole some designs from Brittain on some early machines" - which is not at all what we're talking about here, and was at nowhere near the scale of China's theft.
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- numpad0 2y agoI don't think they actually do. They're not dumb or crazy. What I think sets Chinese companies apart from Western counterparts is their aptitude for making money through selling physical things. Everyone else drove off to casinos and they're the last ones in the factory dirtying hands.
- obscurette 2y agoAs someone growing up in Soviet Union, sharing was the norm for us as well until we were in this s**t together and nobody had any chance to earn much from it anyway. This changed quite fast in nineties though.
- mindslight 2y agoIP is defined by RFCs, not law. (damn, the imaginary property maximalists really came out of the woodwork on this thread)