5 ms·

More like automated ticketing for speeding.

mikedelfino 2y ago
I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.
- vel0city 2y ago
  Knowing exactly which lane you're in and the actual speed limit of that particular lane can be tricky for an automated system, at least in any of the systems I've seen implemented. I've had cars with both automated speed limit sign readers, GPS+map databases, and more show me two different speed limits and neither one was actually correct for the lane I was in. This is a somewhat common occurrence on the highways around me.
- wcoenen 2y ago
  That would risk unintended consequences. For example, suddenly slowing cars on the highway down to 30 kph because a small road with that speed limit runs right next to the highway.
  - forgetfreeman 2y ago
    This becomes a thing and I'll have a 25mph sign hanging off the back of my truck. I eagerly await starting a youtube channel of new cars losing their shit on jammed tailgating attempts.
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      Or in Germany, if you live in the village, put up a 60 sign by your driveway and when confronted just say someone is having their 60th birthday… Germans for whatever reason like putting up a speed limit signs by their driveway when celebrating birthdays.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  As long as it’s accurate. The current technical implementation is a joke. The car has no idea what the speed limit is. A few examples: 1) drive past the end of town sign in a particular German town, the car thinks it is 30kph, but only during the day because at night it doesn’t see the sign so it thinks it’s 50 where in reality it’s a 100 until the next speed limit, 2) driving between a couple of roundabouts inside of a town in the Netherlands, the car thinks it’s 30kph even though we stay within city limits and there’s no sign so the speed limit remains 50kph, 3) this is the funniest one so far… driving in Antwerpen along the Turhoutsebaan, there’s a massive 30 sign painted on a red painted road surface, the car insists that the speed limit is 50kph. Those are just three out of a dozen examples happening consistently within 30 square kilometres I normally remain within. And I drive this car for 2.5 weeks. I have seen the future and I don’t like it. Number 2) happens routinely inside of the city limits after right or left turn. Car drops the speed limit to 30 just to realise a 100m down the road that it is 50. Apologies for the ad hominem, I normally stay away from such tone. I genuinely hope that such pseudo cops like you get a grip. Because it’s my life you’re talking about and I already use speed limiter routinely. Every idiot around me on the road has exactly the same choice as me: curb the ego down and slow down or behave like a douche. > but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road Yeah, you just described the ISA of 2027. This is going to be a tough year for car manufacturers. I forecast a ton of unsold new cars remaining on parking lots because one has to be really technically illiterate to buy something so dangerous willingly. Either full self driving or give full control. Everything in between is a disaster waiting to happen. By the way, here’s a funny thought. So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? An implant in the brain? Where does it stop?
  - mikedelfino 2y ago
    > So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? I don't think anything will need to happen at that point. We wouldn't need to tackle down the top causes of death if the numbers were low, as seems to be the case of bicycle deaths not caused by cars. And when it comes to speeding, it's already against the law, so the technology is only trying to help prevent it. But of course, my enthusiasm is tied to a future where this technology works reliably, so I don't really expect anything like it with all the problems you're describing with current models.
- leobg 2y ago
  Dangerous as hell. Imagine there’s a runaway truck behind you and you can’t speed up to avoid or at least soften the collision because of some government enforced handicap. It would also give local governments a power they never had before: To directly control your behavior in the moment, with no judicial control or oversight. No, thank you.
  - grecy 2y ago
    There will always be contrived bogeyman edge cases to scare us from doing something. The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? I bet the answer is yes. In the US every single day 100 families are torn apart by a death on the road. I’m sure you don’t want it to be yours.
    - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
      That’s a “think of the children” type of an argument. Remind me: how many people die because of guns every day in the US? On a serious note, how many of those road accidents are caused by exceeding the speed by less than 10%? You see, there is a difference between speeding and reckless driving. Neither you nor me live in the US. They have other options to reduce those deaths. There’s no reason to drive a 4 ton EV truck made out of stainless steel doing 0 to 60 mph in 3 seconds.
      - deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
    - jsjohnst 2y ago
      > The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? Speed doesn’t kill, it’s the sudden stopping that does.
    - leobg 2y ago
      I don’t care about this particular edge case. The idea of being remote controlled by buerocrats is appalling to me. I live in Europe. Regulations here make Teslas slam on the brakes when the road is curved by more than x degrees, and break off a lane change apruptly if they take longer than x seconds. The intentions behind these rules written by some buerocrat in Brussels surely were as good as those behind the cookie banner. I’m glad I still get to override those rules with my pedals and steering wheel.
- chgs 2y ago
  Earlier today my car thought I was on a 10mph road, I was in a 60 Earlier it said I was on a 30mph road despite being on a 20mph road
  - doubled112 2y ago
    This summer Apple Maps believed I teleported 200m into a corn field for long enough it told me to return to the route. The location kept updating, moving in parallel to my real location. What is the speed limit in that field? Would a car suffer from similar problems? Should it continue at the original rate of speed or slam the brakes?
    - chgs 2y ago
      I had that a couple of months ago. Phone was fine when not connected to car play, location bang on. Soon as I plugged it in it moved my location. Did the same with two other phones. Car play takes the location from the car rather than the phone.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

I’d love to see that implemented, yes, but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road.

vel0city 2y ago
Knowing exactly which lane you're in and the actual speed limit of that particular lane can be tricky for an automated system, at least in any of the systems I've seen implemented. I've had cars with both automated speed limit sign readers, GPS+map databases, and more show me two different speed limits and neither one was actually correct for the lane I was in. This is a somewhat common occurrence on the highways around me.
wcoenen 2y ago
That would risk unintended consequences. For example, suddenly slowing cars on the highway down to 30 kph because a small road with that speed limit runs right next to the highway.
- forgetfreeman 2y ago
  This becomes a thing and I'll have a 25mph sign hanging off the back of my truck. I eagerly await starting a youtube channel of new cars losing their shit on jammed tailgating attempts.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    Or in Germany, if you live in the village, put up a 60 sign by your driveway and when confronted just say someone is having their 60th birthday… Germans for whatever reason like putting up a speed limit signs by their driveway when celebrating birthdays.
rad_gruchalski 2y ago
As long as it’s accurate. The current technical implementation is a joke. The car has no idea what the speed limit is. A few examples: 1) drive past the end of town sign in a particular German town, the car thinks it is 30kph, but only during the day because at night it doesn’t see the sign so it thinks it’s 50 where in reality it’s a 100 until the next speed limit, 2) driving between a couple of roundabouts inside of a town in the Netherlands, the car thinks it’s 30kph even though we stay within city limits and there’s no sign so the speed limit remains 50kph, 3) this is the funniest one so far… driving in Antwerpen along the Turhoutsebaan, there’s a massive 30 sign painted on a red painted road surface, the car insists that the speed limit is 50kph. Those are just three out of a dozen examples happening consistently within 30 square kilometres I normally remain within. And I drive this car for 2.5 weeks. I have seen the future and I don’t like it. Number 2) happens routinely inside of the city limits after right or left turn. Car drops the speed limit to 30 just to realise a 100m down the road that it is 50. Apologies for the ad hominem, I normally stay away from such tone. I genuinely hope that such pseudo cops like you get a grip. Because it’s my life you’re talking about and I already use speed limiter routinely. Every idiot around me on the road has exactly the same choice as me: curb the ego down and slow down or behave like a douche. > but it would be even better if all cars' speed were automatically limited to the speed limit of each road Yeah, you just described the ISA of 2027. This is going to be a tough year for car manufacturers. I forecast a ton of unsold new cars remaining on parking lots because one has to be really technically illiterate to buy something so dangerous willingly. Either full self driving or give full control. Everything in between is a disaster waiting to happen. By the way, here’s a funny thought. So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? An implant in the brain? Where does it stop?
- mikedelfino 2y ago
  > So what is going to happen when that mythical zero casualties is reached and more people will be dying on bicycles than in car accidents? I don't think anything will need to happen at that point. We wouldn't need to tackle down the top causes of death if the numbers were low, as seems to be the case of bicycle deaths not caused by cars. And when it comes to speeding, it's already against the law, so the technology is only trying to help prevent it. But of course, my enthusiasm is tied to a future where this technology works reliably, so I don't really expect anything like it with all the problems you're describing with current models.
leobg 2y ago
Dangerous as hell. Imagine there’s a runaway truck behind you and you can’t speed up to avoid or at least soften the collision because of some government enforced handicap. It would also give local governments a power they never had before: To directly control your behavior in the moment, with no judicial control or oversight. No, thank you.
- grecy 2y ago
  There will always be contrived bogeyman edge cases to scare us from doing something. The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? I bet the answer is yes. In the US every single day 100 families are torn apart by a death on the road. I’m sure you don’t want it to be yours.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    That’s a “think of the children” type of an argument. Remind me: how many people die because of guns every day in the US? On a serious note, how many of those road accidents are caused by exceeding the speed by less than 10%? You see, there is a difference between speeding and reckless driving. Neither you nor me live in the US. They have other options to reduce those deaths. There’s no reason to drive a 4 ton EV truck made out of stainless steel doing 0 to 60 mph in 3 seconds.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - jsjohnst 2y ago
    > The only question that matters is would it result in fewer road deaths? Speed doesn’t kill, it’s the sudden stopping that does.
  - leobg 2y ago
    I don’t care about this particular edge case. The idea of being remote controlled by buerocrats is appalling to me. I live in Europe. Regulations here make Teslas slam on the brakes when the road is curved by more than x degrees, and break off a lane change apruptly if they take longer than x seconds. The intentions behind these rules written by some buerocrat in Brussels surely were as good as those behind the cookie banner. I’m glad I still get to override those rules with my pedals and steering wheel.
chgs 2y ago
Earlier today my car thought I was on a 10mph road, I was in a 60 Earlier it said I was on a 30mph road despite being on a 20mph road
- doubled112 2y ago
  This summer Apple Maps believed I teleported 200m into a corn field for long enough it told me to return to the route. The location kept updating, moving in parallel to my real location. What is the speed limit in that field? Would a car suffer from similar problems? Should it continue at the original rate of speed or slam the brakes?
  - chgs 2y ago
    I had that a couple of months ago. Phone was fine when not connected to car play, location bang on. Soon as I plugged it in it moved my location. Did the same with two other phones. Car play takes the location from the car rather than the phone.
deleted 2y ago
[deleted]