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I wonder if we can have both, the checking being done digitally. While still having an actual stamp on the paper passport. I know this sounds absurd but I disli

by ksec 2y ago

I wonder if we can have both, the checking being done digitally. While still having an actual stamp on the paper passport. I know this sounds absurd but I dislike everything digital with no real, physical record I can keep.

sureIy 2y ago
I don't mind my passport lasting longer due to fewer stamps. What I don't like is that more and more countries require pre-registration. They can add as many questions as they want and the form can be as crappy as it needs to be. Hopefully this will be fully automated at check in though. They already have all the info there, don't ask me twice. Send me an email if you won't accept me into your country. It can have its upsides.
- Kon-Peki 2y ago
  Boaters, especially in northern Michigan and northern Washington (where the various small islands can almost seem randomly distributed between Canada and US), can get an app on their phone (the "CBP ROAM" app) to handle their frequent border crossings. A user creates a "trip" on the phone at the beginning of the day and then presses a button every time they cross the border. If the US has a problem they do a video call through the app. It's been around for a few years.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    > can get an app on their phone ok, do you want that, or are you required to have that.. Uniform servicemen already have made agreements about their data, locations, records, check-ins ad infinitum.. but citizens have not made those agreements.. So uniform services will just make those agreements mandatory.. there is no end to this. especially irksome is piling on requirements for constant check-in among law abiding people who own property and pay taxes.. while somehow hundreds of thousands can walk around living in parks in the South ? I am not even extreme on this topic .. it just defies common sense and says Slippery Slope in giant letters
    - Kon-Peki 2y ago
      You have to fill out request forms, and have an interview, and if they like you they allow you to use the app. People want it because it lets them do what they want with less hassle and it makes many trips possible that are impossible if you have to cross the border at a manned border crossing. But of course, there is a slippery slope danger.
    - avianlyric 2y ago
      Sounds like you’ve got people moving backwards and forwards frequently between the U.S. and Canada. Both countries are going to want to track those boarder crossings, doing it in an app just makes it easier for everyone. Don’t really see what a bunch of people wondering around parks all located in the same country has to do with boaters moving between a smorgasbord of islands belonging to two different countries, and thus randomly crossing the boarder back and forth multiple times in a single trip.
    - lazyasciiart 2y ago
      You are annoyed that border controls don’t also affect what people can do thousands of miles away from the border? And you are also afraid of a slippery slope where border controls become ever more strict and interfering? That is a very odd pair of thoughts.
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      None of it is required, at least on the ocean in Washington. When you cross the border on the water, you aren't required to report until you go to land (if you never set foot in Canada, but only sail through territorial waters, there is no requirement to report), at which point you must go to a specified customs dock, and present your paperwork.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Love this idea, I too would love to have the stamping still available, perhaps at an automated kiosk you stick your passport in to receive your sentimental stamp.
- woleium 2y ago
  or a global e-stamp service?
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JohannesH 2y ago
I Denmark we can have digital drivers licenses, id cards, public transportation passes, online authentication etc.All of them have physical counteeparts. I dont think there are any plans to outphase any of the physical counteeparts for various good reasons such as people not having phones, accessibility, compatibility and so on. I imagine that the issues for making, deploying and integrating a digital-only passport on a global scale would be much harder.
dataviz1000 2y ago
I am bummed entering Malaysia and Mexico because they no longer stamp my passport as I pass through the electronic gates.
- Scoundreller 2y ago
  France still does it with their e-gates for non EU citizens. Of course you could give them any passport to stamp and I think they would. Can’t tell if the stamper has a plum job or if it’s a punishment.
  - Symbiote 2y ago
    The EU will stop stamping passports some time next year, assuming the new system isn't further delayed.
- csomar 2y ago
  Don't go through the electronic gates? Also if you ask the officer and give him a reason (travel memories or bs like that), they might do it.
dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
That is available now in the UK if you use the automatic gates. Soon in the EU stamps will be a thing of the past but you may be able to request one, if you can find a person to do it. The problem you'll have is that the stamps may not carry the force of law, so not much help in a pinch.

by ksec 2y ago

sureIy 2y ago

I don't mind my passport lasting longer due to fewer stamps. What I don't like is that more and more countries require pre-registration. They can add as many questions as they want and the form can be as crappy as it needs to be. Hopefully this will be fully automated at check in though. They already have all the info there, don't ask me twice. Send me an email if you won't accept me into your country. It can have its upsides.

Kon-Peki 2y ago
Boaters, especially in northern Michigan and northern Washington (where the various small islands can almost seem randomly distributed between Canada and US), can get an app on their phone (the "CBP ROAM" app) to handle their frequent border crossings. A user creates a "trip" on the phone at the beginning of the day and then presses a button every time they cross the border. If the US has a problem they do a video call through the app. It's been around for a few years.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  > can get an app on their phone ok, do you want that, or are you required to have that.. Uniform servicemen already have made agreements about their data, locations, records, check-ins ad infinitum.. but citizens have not made those agreements.. So uniform services will just make those agreements mandatory.. there is no end to this. especially irksome is piling on requirements for constant check-in among law abiding people who own property and pay taxes.. while somehow hundreds of thousands can walk around living in parks in the South ? I am not even extreme on this topic .. it just defies common sense and says Slippery Slope in giant letters
  - Kon-Peki 2y ago
    You have to fill out request forms, and have an interview, and if they like you they allow you to use the app. People want it because it lets them do what they want with less hassle and it makes many trips possible that are impossible if you have to cross the border at a manned border crossing. But of course, there is a slippery slope danger.
  - avianlyric 2y ago
    Sounds like you’ve got people moving backwards and forwards frequently between the U.S. and Canada. Both countries are going to want to track those boarder crossings, doing it in an app just makes it easier for everyone. Don’t really see what a bunch of people wondering around parks all located in the same country has to do with boaters moving between a smorgasbord of islands belonging to two different countries, and thus randomly crossing the boarder back and forth multiple times in a single trip.
  - lazyasciiart 2y ago
    You are annoyed that border controls don’t also affect what people can do thousands of miles away from the border? And you are also afraid of a slippery slope where border controls become ever more strict and interfering? That is a very odd pair of thoughts.
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    None of it is required, at least on the ocean in Washington. When you cross the border on the water, you aren't required to report until you go to land (if you never set foot in Canada, but only sail through territorial waters, there is no requirement to report), at which point you must go to a specified customs dock, and present your paperwork.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Love this idea, I too would love to have the stamping still available, perhaps at an automated kiosk you stick your passport in to receive your sentimental stamp.

woleium 2y ago
or a global e-stamp service?
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

JohannesH 2y ago

I Denmark we can have digital drivers licenses, id cards, public transportation passes, online authentication etc.All of them have physical counteeparts. I dont think there are any plans to outphase any of the physical counteeparts for various good reasons such as people not having phones, accessibility, compatibility and so on. I imagine that the issues for making, deploying and integrating a digital-only passport on a global scale would be much harder.

dataviz1000 2y ago

I am bummed entering Malaysia and Mexico because they no longer stamp my passport as I pass through the electronic gates.

Scoundreller 2y ago
France still does it with their e-gates for non EU citizens. Of course you could give them any passport to stamp and I think they would. Can’t tell if the stamper has a plum job or if it’s a punishment.
- Symbiote 2y ago
  The EU will stop stamping passports some time next year, assuming the new system isn't further delayed.
csomar 2y ago
Don't go through the electronic gates? Also if you ask the officer and give him a reason (travel memories or bs like that), they might do it.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago

That is available now in the UK if you use the automatic gates. Soon in the EU stamps will be a thing of the past but you may be able to request one, if you can find a person to do it. The problem you'll have is that the stamps may not carry the force of law, so not much help in a pinch.