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Confession: I Barely Use Web3

43 points by Peteris 2y ago

gryfft 2y ago
The penny-- er, satoshi-- finally drops, eh? Even the true believers are starting to wake up.
- lproven 2y ago
  Username checks out. ;-)
helsinkiandrew 2y ago
> Confession: I Barely Use Web3 Barely anyone uses Web3, Crypto is just about entirely for financial speculation now. In context the author is a founder of Auditless - "a strategic partner to crypto companies helping design & develop new protocols".
- numbsafari 2y ago
  > financial speculation And money laundering and sanctions avoidance… and bribery.
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throwpoaster 2y ago
I'm a web3 guy. Big believer in blockchain, and I know web3 is not limited to that. I think the consequences of blockchain tech might take several decades / centuries to become apparent ("the Romans had steam engines", etc). When you take a break from it and come back you notice the significant usability hurdles with little-to-no functionality payoff to justify them. The vast majority of people simply do not need a less trust-based, more complex financial system.
- dartos 2y ago
  At the end of the day, web3 is just the web with a new payment processor (a blockchain) That payment processor just has no support, no UX team, no security team, and nobody to hold accountable. It’s actually a more trust based system than what we have. Instead of trusting a single payment provider, you need to trust a wallet extension, the website you’re on, and the contract you’re interacting with. Any failure in judgement is also irreversible. It’s just a really bad solution to a problem most people don’t even know exists.
  - hnbad 2y ago
    Web3 is more than that because some people genuinely thought the future was running actual code on the blockchain and using that as part of the backend. Of course that works reasonably well as long as your code is terse, straightforward, trustworthy, easy to read, bug-free and you have no performance requirements for execution speed or deployment speed.
    - zelphirkalt 2y ago
      So almost never?
      - hnbad 2y ago
        That's the joke.
    - dartos 2y ago
      > thought the future was running actual code on the blockchain and using that as part of the backend What did that code do besides process transactions and distribute tokens? Almost nothing. It’d be the payment gateway layer of any backend. Processing payments and returning proof of purchase.
  - zcw100 2y ago
    ...and the crypto it's based on. ...and it's implementation. I can't wait for the biggest bank heist in history due to an exploit in a crypto algorithm.
steinuil 2y ago
Breaking: Web3 devs reach sentience before AI.
- deleted 2y ago
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otabdeveloper4 2y ago
"Web3"? Wow, that's a blast from the past.
- zelphirkalt 2y ago
  We must be at least web 4 or 5 by now. Look at all the revolutionary frameworks being released!
mjburgess 2y ago
I guess 2024 is the year "we're selling the future" and "the right side of history" strats were nerfed. Though, I suppose, they were just a disguised form of FOMO which will be perennial. At least, this is one a generation should now be inoculated against.
donatj 2y ago
The level to which Crypto has complicated my taxes in previous years has largely sucked the fun out of the concept. I just sit on my existing hoard like some sort of digital dragon. A younger, more idealistic me thought some day it would replace cash, but having to track the value of every buy and sell is just too punitive for that purpose.
- tadeegan 2y ago
  Agree sadly. I shy away from web3 investment strategies like participating in liquidity pools because I'm scared about reporting the taxes correctly. I'm now considering ways of anonymizing my self-custody so that I can avoid this burden. Im basically forced to act illegally to avoid this toil
willtemperley 2y ago
The democratisation of access to financial markets has had some beneficial knock-on effects like much cheaper cross-border payments. Prior to 2010, banks were charging around 5% for a GBP-EUR transaction. This is a benefit we all see - banks now can't get away with ripping people off like they used to, when I could make a cross border payment for less than 0.5% using a crypto exchange. Also having the ability to hedge against quantitative easing has been a life-saver for many people.
- victorbjorklund 2y ago
  or it could be fintech startups like Revolut and Wise. You know stuff people actually use that is actual competition for banks. A normal person does not use crypto just to exchange money from GDP-EUR for a vacation trip.
  - willtemperley 2y ago
    Yes but they came shortly after Bitcoin with comparable fees. This is not a coincidence.
    - jncfhnb 2y ago
      It’s a coincidence
      - kikimora 2y ago
        As a person making a lot of cross-border payments I disagree. In my reality paying people in other countries with crypto is much easier if they can accept it. Accepting is challenging but mostly because of regulations, not crypto itself.
        jncfhnb 2y ago
        That’s not relevant
    - victorbjorklund 2y ago
pavel_lishin 2y ago
> Meanwhile, the actual products of the crypto industry are volatility and internet entertainment (fun, but hardly transformational). You left off ransomware.
seba_dos1 2y ago
Who does?
xerp2914 2y ago
> Existing lobbying organizations, legacy industry, media, internet trolls and other anti-bodies are actively hostile to the space and intentionally slowing down progress. Even the rest of the technology industry actively hates crypto. So everyone hates crypto and that's why Web3 is not taking off? Really? It's much more likely that there are simply no convincing practical use cases for it, and that's why all these people have been ignoring it, rightly so.
Havoc 2y ago
I suspect its largely because the one place where it could have world altering potential - replacement of fiat currency as general currency - got massive pushback. The reasons are varied & ultimately don't matter, just that it did. That leaves just memes, speculation and illegal stuff basically.
kennu 2y ago
There are many interesting Web3 apps, like decentralized social media, decentralized web (IPFS), decentralized domain names, decentralized organization management, etc, but they have not seemed to mature enough to become mainstream. They all have various kinds of problems with usability especially for "ordinary people". But the core idea is there and it's good: Make the Internet truly decentralized and peer-to-peer again, and enable it by incentivization via crypto transactions. But it's going to take time.

43 points by Peteris 2y ago

gryfft 2y ago

The penny-- er, satoshi-- finally drops, eh? Even the true believers are starting to wake up.

lproven 2y ago
Username checks out. ;-)

helsinkiandrew 2y ago

> Confession: I Barely Use Web3 Barely anyone uses Web3, Crypto is just about entirely for financial speculation now. In context the author is a founder of Auditless - "a strategic partner to crypto companies helping design & develop new protocols".

numbsafari 2y ago
> financial speculation And money laundering and sanctions avoidance… and bribery.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]

throwpoaster 2y ago

I'm a web3 guy. Big believer in blockchain, and I know web3 is not limited to that. I think the consequences of blockchain tech might take several decades / centuries to become apparent ("the Romans had steam engines", etc). When you take a break from it and come back you notice the significant usability hurdles with little-to-no functionality payoff to justify them. The vast majority of people simply do not need a less trust-based, more complex financial system.

dartos 2y ago
At the end of the day, web3 is just the web with a new payment processor (a blockchain) That payment processor just has no support, no UX team, no security team, and nobody to hold accountable. It’s actually a more trust based system than what we have. Instead of trusting a single payment provider, you need to trust a wallet extension, the website you’re on, and the contract you’re interacting with. Any failure in judgement is also irreversible. It’s just a really bad solution to a problem most people don’t even know exists.
- hnbad 2y ago
  Web3 is more than that because some people genuinely thought the future was running actual code on the blockchain and using that as part of the backend. Of course that works reasonably well as long as your code is terse, straightforward, trustworthy, easy to read, bug-free and you have no performance requirements for execution speed or deployment speed.
  - zelphirkalt 2y ago
    So almost never?
    - hnbad 2y ago
      That's the joke.
  - dartos 2y ago
    > thought the future was running actual code on the blockchain and using that as part of the backend What did that code do besides process transactions and distribute tokens? Almost nothing. It’d be the payment gateway layer of any backend. Processing payments and returning proof of purchase.
- zcw100 2y ago
  ...and the crypto it's based on. ...and it's implementation. I can't wait for the biggest bank heist in history due to an exploit in a crypto algorithm.

steinuil 2y ago

Breaking: Web3 devs reach sentience before AI.

deleted 2y ago
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otabdeveloper4 2y ago

"Web3"? Wow, that's a blast from the past.

zelphirkalt 2y ago
We must be at least web 4 or 5 by now. Look at all the revolutionary frameworks being released!

mjburgess 2y ago

I guess 2024 is the year "we're selling the future" and "the right side of history" strats were nerfed. Though, I suppose, they were just a disguised form of FOMO which will be perennial. At least, this is one a generation should now be inoculated against.

donatj 2y ago

The level to which Crypto has complicated my taxes in previous years has largely sucked the fun out of the concept. I just sit on my existing hoard like some sort of digital dragon. A younger, more idealistic me thought some day it would replace cash, but having to track the value of every buy and sell is just too punitive for that purpose.

tadeegan 2y ago
Agree sadly. I shy away from web3 investment strategies like participating in liquidity pools because I'm scared about reporting the taxes correctly. I'm now considering ways of anonymizing my self-custody so that I can avoid this burden. Im basically forced to act illegally to avoid this toil

willtemperley 2y ago

The democratisation of access to financial markets has had some beneficial knock-on effects like much cheaper cross-border payments. Prior to 2010, banks were charging around 5% for a GBP-EUR transaction. This is a benefit we all see - banks now can't get away with ripping people off like they used to, when I could make a cross border payment for less than 0.5% using a crypto exchange. Also having the ability to hedge against quantitative easing has been a life-saver for many people.

victorbjorklund 2y ago
or it could be fintech startups like Revolut and Wise. You know stuff people actually use that is actual competition for banks. A normal person does not use crypto just to exchange money from GDP-EUR for a vacation trip.
- willtemperley 2y ago
  Yes but they came shortly after Bitcoin with comparable fees. This is not a coincidence.
  - jncfhnb 2y ago
    It’s a coincidence
    - kikimora 2y ago
      As a person making a lot of cross-border payments I disagree. In my reality paying people in other countries with crypto is much easier if they can accept it. Accepting is challenging but mostly because of regulations, not crypto itself.
      - jncfhnb 2y ago
        That’s not relevant
  - victorbjorklund 2y ago

pavel_lishin 2y ago

> Meanwhile, the actual products of the crypto industry are volatility and internet entertainment (fun, but hardly transformational). You left off ransomware.

seba_dos1 2y ago

Who does?

xerp2914 2y ago

> Existing lobbying organizations, legacy industry, media, internet trolls and other anti-bodies are actively hostile to the space and intentionally slowing down progress. Even the rest of the technology industry actively hates crypto. So everyone hates crypto and that's why Web3 is not taking off? Really? It's much more likely that there are simply no convincing practical use cases for it, and that's why all these people have been ignoring it, rightly so.

Havoc 2y ago

I suspect its largely because the one place where it could have world altering potential - replacement of fiat currency as general currency - got massive pushback. The reasons are varied & ultimately don't matter, just that it did. That leaves just memes, speculation and illegal stuff basically.

kennu 2y ago

There are many interesting Web3 apps, like decentralized social media, decentralized web (IPFS), decentralized domain names, decentralized organization management, etc, but they have not seemed to mature enough to become mainstream. They all have various kinds of problems with usability especially for "ordinary people". But the core idea is there and it's good: Make the Internet truly decentralized and peer-to-peer again, and enable it by incentivization via crypto transactions. But it's going to take time.