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What a horrible bad faith article > Germany, which has no history of mass immigration Germany is historically THE mass immigration country - it’s in the middl

What a horrible bad faith article > Germany, which has no history of mass immigration Germany is historically THE mass immigration country - it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa - this is the no 1 reason why it’s so successful and relevant at all. Germany has profited from getting the cream of the crop in terms of immigrants for centuries. Anyone who thinks this is not an immigration country never picked up a history book.

fweimer 2y ago
There is a curious way to address this in official immigration statistics: an arbitrary cut-off at the year 1950. Anyone who arrived before that year is not considered an immigrant: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoel... (Note: The English version of that page is quite different.)
ciconia 2y ago
> it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa I would say that's a bit of a stretch. It is true Germany has a long history if immigration, but before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continents [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany
- BerislavLopac 2y ago
  Except for Turkey, the no. 1 source of immigration to Germany, which is very much in Asia.
  - eadmund 2y ago
    > > before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continent > Except for Turkey The mass immigration from Turkey started in the 1960s, well into the modern era. There are plenty of Germans still living today who remember the era when Turks were a rarity in Germany. No doubt there were Turks who settled in Germany, or the countries which would become Germany, well before then, but the mass immigration is very much a modern thing.
    - BerislavLopac 2y ago
      Ah OK, I had a different definition of "modern times" in mind. But if we use that version, "before modern times" Germany (or its equivalent at the time) was generally a net exporter of emigration.
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fweimer 2y ago

There is a curious way to address this in official immigration statistics: an arbitrary cut-off at the year 1950. Anyone who arrived before that year is not considered an immigrant: https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoelkerung/Migration-Integration/_inhalt.html https://www.destatis.de/DE/Themen/Gesellschaft-Umwelt/Bevoel... (Note: The English version of that page is quite different.)

ciconia 2y ago

> it’s in the middle of Europe between Asia and Africa I would say that's a bit of a stretch. It is true Germany has a long history if immigration, but before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continents [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany

BerislavLopac 2y ago
Except for Turkey, the no. 1 source of immigration to Germany, which is very much in Asia.
- eadmund 2y ago
  > > before modern times that was mostly from eastern and southern Europe, not from other continent > Except for Turkey The mass immigration from Turkey started in the 1960s, well into the modern era. There are plenty of Germans still living today who remember the era when Turks were a rarity in Germany. No doubt there were Turks who settled in Germany, or the countries which would become Germany, well before then, but the mass immigration is very much a modern thing.
  - BerislavLopac 2y ago
    Ah OK, I had a different definition of "modern times" in mind. But if we use that version, "before modern times" Germany (or its equivalent at the time) was generally a net exporter of emigration.

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