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It seems to be open source, which is a big plus compared to obsidian

kelsolaar 2y ago
Why is it a big plus, genuine question? You do not need Obsidian to use your Markdown written content and are not vendor locked in as such.
- adhamsalama 2y ago
  The same reason it is a plus for any other open source software. You can modify it and fork it if it's discontinued.
- jraph 2y ago
  Open source / Free software comes with all the usual benefits: - you can fork and adapt to your needs - should the original authors stop developing it or take a direction you don't like but your started depending on it, someone can take over the development of a fork - you can study how it works - you can reuse some of the code to build an alternative product - you can contribute patches if the project accepts them - if you have to migrate, even if the format is specific, you can at least check how it works That thing being open source is a big plus, and Obsidian using a standard format is a big plus.
- colordrops 2y ago
  That's like saying "you do not need oracle to use your bytes on disk". I may be mistaken but doesn't obsidian provide a ton of functionality on top of markdown?
  - veidr 2y ago
    No, just a little bit. Your docs remain 98% compatible with other Markdown editors. The functionality is mainly around a.) better UI for editing Markdown, b.) plugin ecosystem (optional), c.) paid sync (optional, and achievable otherwise e.g. SyncThing, your own rsync script, etc), and d.) optional (and very bad) "publish-as-a-website" feature.
    - Tomte 2y ago
      If you only use standard Markdown. But the advocacy often focuses on DataView and a thousand other features that are simply not available without Obsidian.
      - veidr 2y ago
        True, but it seems very obvious that if you add a bunch of plugin dependencies (or even one), you are deliberately choosing to forego "standard" Markdown (there's actually no such thing, but roughly speaking). That's why they're plugins. I do use the Excalidraw plugin, but nothing much else, and that is why I have an easy time making my Obsidian notes web-accessible (currently, via SilverBullet, but any tool that makes markdown web-editable will work — as long as you don't go nuts with plugins, that is). Having said that, I think the reason Obsidian "failed" — to the extent that Notion and some others have massively more adoption amongst organizations larger than me and my gray beard – is that they failed to combine their (super awesome) files-and-folders approach with a web editable solution. They thought - obviously wrongly, in hindsight — that web accessible would be enough. It's not. It's the 10%, Notion etc cover the 90% (but with fairly bad tradeoffs, they have export and it works, but you can't easily interop with your data where it lives). But I've had such an easy time making my Obsidian web-editable that I suspect in a few minutes (or months) Obsidian will be like heyyyyy... edit yo vault via web yo — and for free! and then we will all be like woo Obsidian boo Notion!! But we'll see
    - SamPatt 2y ago
      The plugins are no small thing though. I replaced Anki with a spaced repetition plugin, now my notes can be flashcards and I don't need to maintain two separate apps. Also the UI for search and navigation is much better than just a collection of Markdown files. I rolled my own note system using Markdown before this. Obsidian is way better.
    - colordrops 2y ago
      So not much of a value proposition then is what you are saying? Why use it at all?
brunoqc 2y ago
Not fully open source. It seems you need to pay to get the privilege to "Export PDF/Image with watermark". https://b3log.org/siyuan/en/pricing.html https://b3log.org/siyuan/en/pricing.html
- elashri 2y ago
  It doesn't have to be free everything to qualify for open source. The source and licence are available. You can actually bypass payment if you want to do that as the source ia there.
  - brunoqc 2y ago
    Right but it's a bit unusual. I was expecting the "pro" features to be in a separate repo or something. I don't think I would even bother to update a local patch on every releases. I'll just use another foss app without silly "pro" features.
- oefrha 2y ago
  The code is indeed entirely AGPL, I looked at license headers in the specific files implementing paid features. I wonder if it’s an oversight. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42514304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42514304 for details.

Why is it a big plus, genuine question? You do not need Obsidian to use your Markdown written content and are not vendor locked in as such.

adhamsalama 2y ago
The same reason it is a plus for any other open source software. You can modify it and fork it if it's discontinued.
jraph 2y ago
Open source / Free software comes with all the usual benefits: - you can fork and adapt to your needs - should the original authors stop developing it or take a direction you don't like but your started depending on it, someone can take over the development of a fork - you can study how it works - you can reuse some of the code to build an alternative product - you can contribute patches if the project accepts them - if you have to migrate, even if the format is specific, you can at least check how it works That thing being open source is a big plus, and Obsidian using a standard format is a big plus.
colordrops 2y ago
That's like saying "you do not need oracle to use your bytes on disk". I may be mistaken but doesn't obsidian provide a ton of functionality on top of markdown?
- veidr 2y ago
  No, just a little bit. Your docs remain 98% compatible with other Markdown editors. The functionality is mainly around a.) better UI for editing Markdown, b.) plugin ecosystem (optional), c.) paid sync (optional, and achievable otherwise e.g. SyncThing, your own rsync script, etc), and d.) optional (and very bad) "publish-as-a-website" feature.
  - Tomte 2y ago
    If you only use standard Markdown. But the advocacy often focuses on DataView and a thousand other features that are simply not available without Obsidian.
    - veidr 2y ago
      True, but it seems very obvious that if you add a bunch of plugin dependencies (or even one), you are deliberately choosing to forego "standard" Markdown (there's actually no such thing, but roughly speaking). That's why they're plugins. I do use the Excalidraw plugin, but nothing much else, and that is why I have an easy time making my Obsidian notes web-accessible (currently, via SilverBullet, but any tool that makes markdown web-editable will work — as long as you don't go nuts with plugins, that is). Having said that, I think the reason Obsidian "failed" — to the extent that Notion and some others have massively more adoption amongst organizations larger than me and my gray beard – is that they failed to combine their (super awesome) files-and-folders approach with a web editable solution. They thought - obviously wrongly, in hindsight — that web accessible would be enough. It's not. It's the 10%, Notion etc cover the 90% (but with fairly bad tradeoffs, they have export and it works, but you can't easily interop with your data where it lives). But I've had such an easy time making my Obsidian web-editable that I suspect in a few minutes (or months) Obsidian will be like heyyyyy... edit yo vault via web yo — and for free! and then we will all be like woo Obsidian boo Notion!! But we'll see
  - SamPatt 2y ago
    The plugins are no small thing though. I replaced Anki with a spaced repetition plugin, now my notes can be flashcards and I don't need to maintain two separate apps. Also the UI for search and navigation is much better than just a collection of Markdown files. I rolled my own note system using Markdown before this. Obsidian is way better.
  - colordrops 2y ago
    So not much of a value proposition then is what you are saying? Why use it at all?

brunoqc 2y ago

Not fully open source. It seems you need to pay to get the privilege to "Export PDF/Image with watermark". https://b3log.org/siyuan/en/pricing.html https://b3log.org/siyuan/en/pricing.html

elashri 2y ago
It doesn't have to be free everything to qualify for open source. The source and licence are available. You can actually bypass payment if you want to do that as the source ia there.
- brunoqc 2y ago
  Right but it's a bit unusual. I was expecting the "pro" features to be in a separate repo or something. I don't think I would even bother to update a local patch on every releases. I'll just use another foss app without silly "pro" features.
oefrha 2y ago
The code is indeed entirely AGPL, I looked at license headers in the specific files implementing paid features. I wonder if it’s an oversight. See my other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42514304 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42514304 for details.