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Watching every NFL game costs around $2,500 and requires six logins. And other leagues are going to follow this model. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/want-t

Watching every NFL game costs around $2,500 and requires six logins. And other leagues are going to follow this model. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/want-to-watch-every-nfl-game-this-season-its-going-to-cost-you-nearly-2-500-31c4d300 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/want-to-watch-every-nfl-ga...

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
I'm not sure we should expect other leagues to follow suit. Unlike other leagues, the NFL is intentionally trying to make it difficult to watch their games to protect ticket sales. It probably doesn't make sense as a strategy for less popular sports that need to get people interested in the first place.
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- badlibrarian 2y ago
  Not sure I follow. The local NFL team's game is on free TV, over the air. People pay or resort to piracy to watch the better game that's four states away. You have to subscribe to see one-off games in England, or subscribe to Netflix to watch the games on Christmas Day.
- dylan604 2y ago
  If you want to protect ticket sales, don't make the price of tickets astronomically high. Then, once at the stadium, make parking cheaper than $90. Make concessions affordable too. At that point, you'll have buts in seats at every game. Owner greed is why ticket sales even need this so called "protection"
  - donmcronald 2y ago
    That’s a feature. It’s like Broadcom increasing the price of VMWare. They only want rich customers.
    - brewdad 2y ago
      At some point you price out an entire generation and find they've moved on to something else like e-sports.
diggan 2y ago
> Watching every NFL game costs around $2,500 and requires six logins. And other leagues are going to follow this model. That sounds very over the top, but I don't know enough about the US, NFL or TV to dispute that. For La Liga (or F1/MotoGP for that matter) you can at least get away with a ~30 EUR/month subscription to see the games, with various providers. Is there really not one network broadcasting/streaming all the games somewhere?
- ddulaney 2y ago
  Nope! The NFL has a long tradition of splitting off games into their own categories: most games are played on Sunday in the afternoon and are carried on the “big 4” networks in the US, then there are 1 or 2 games each on Sunday Night, Monday, and Thursday. To be clear: these are all regular season games, just at different timings. The rights to each “day” of games then get sold off separately. So right now Thursday games are on Prime, Monday games are on ESPN+, and Sunday Night games are on Peacock. Generally the steaming services want to use the games as an onboarding tool, so they are not available anywhere else and you have to subscribe to their whole streaming service, not just the games. There is a service called “NFL Sunday Ticket” but it only lets you watch the games that aren’t available to you in some other way (so if it’s on Prime it’s not on NFL Sunday Ticket for anyone and if it’s on old-school antenna broadcast it’s not on NFL Sunday Ticket if the broadcast is too close to you). To watch all of the NFL games you’ll need: - Prime - ESPN+ - Peacock - Cable/Antenna/Fubo/YouTube TV (for home-team Sunday games) - NFL Sunday Ticket (for other Sunday games) (Or you can just pirate them, which is cheap and easy.)
  - bookofjoe 2y ago
    Sunday night games are also on NBC.
  - awad 2y ago
    FWIW Monday night games are available on standard ESPN and, sometimes, ABC and Sunday night games are on NBC. So you don't strictly speaking need Peacock or ESPN+
dylan604 2y ago
International sports are similar. The EPL is spread across Peacock, NBC, USA/Telemundo. There are days I have to resort to watching a Spanish broadcast of a match because whatever strained logic NBC has used on what games to make available where. Assuming this is in an attempt to drive viewers to dying cable channels??? It's extremely frustrating
- diggan 2y ago
  > International sports are similar I'm not so sure. I can easily get access to all La Liga matches for waay less than ~$2,500, and the same goes for most non-American sports I care to watch sometimes. I was even surprised how easy it was to get HBO Max to watch every single Olympic event this year, think it cost 15-20 EUR in total or something. For reference, this is for a Spanish resident, so YMMV.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    I said similar in that it is split across multiple places. You need a sub to Peacock. You need a cable sub to get USA. You need an antenna or cable to get NBC. While these don't approach the same $2500, there is no single place to go to watch the matches.
- aegypti 2y ago
  I think it’s just the sheer size and appetite of top dogs like the premier league. La Liga and Bundesliga are both on ESPN+ in a single sub, all Serie A and Champions League matches are on Paramount+, all MLS matches are on Apple+, etc.
- brewdad 2y ago
  Please more leagues just give me a reasonably priced service to get all the games. In the US, the full F1 season is $90. The full MLB season can be had for about $100 if you buy it on sale. I got last season for $40 by waiting until June. I don't generally follow such a long season until about then anyway. College football is about all I'm missing. That still requires a cable/streaming sub. I can wait until March and do a one month sub to get my college basketball fix. I pay for Peacock every July for Le Tour. NBA is dead to me. NHL is fine but not worth paying for. Not a big NFL fan and I'd buy MLS if it were unbundled from AppleTV+. I'm not paying for both. Just one man's opinion.
holden_nelson 2y ago
This stat is disingenuous. 1. $2500 is one year of cable + streaming services required to watch every football game. If you don’t have cable it’s $1700. 2. $1700 is the cost to maintain all of those services year round; the regular season + playoffs is 5 months long It’s probably more like $800, which is still a lot, especially when they’re already monetizing the product by shoving ads down our throats every 30 seconds (though it’s a different “they”)
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rascul 2y ago
NFL puts some of the full games on Youtube a day or two later.

SpicyLemonZest 2y ago

I'm not sure we should expect other leagues to follow suit. Unlike other leagues, the NFL is intentionally trying to make it difficult to watch their games to protect ticket sales. It probably doesn't make sense as a strategy for less popular sports that need to get people interested in the first place.

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badlibrarian 2y ago
Not sure I follow. The local NFL team's game is on free TV, over the air. People pay or resort to piracy to watch the better game that's four states away. You have to subscribe to see one-off games in England, or subscribe to Netflix to watch the games on Christmas Day.
dylan604 2y ago
If you want to protect ticket sales, don't make the price of tickets astronomically high. Then, once at the stadium, make parking cheaper than $90. Make concessions affordable too. At that point, you'll have buts in seats at every game. Owner greed is why ticket sales even need this so called "protection"
- donmcronald 2y ago
  That’s a feature. It’s like Broadcom increasing the price of VMWare. They only want rich customers.
  - brewdad 2y ago
    At some point you price out an entire generation and find they've moved on to something else like e-sports.

diggan 2y ago

> Watching every NFL game costs around $2,500 and requires six logins. And other leagues are going to follow this model. That sounds very over the top, but I don't know enough about the US, NFL or TV to dispute that. For La Liga (or F1/MotoGP for that matter) you can at least get away with a ~30 EUR/month subscription to see the games, with various providers. Is there really not one network broadcasting/streaming all the games somewhere?

ddulaney 2y ago
Nope! The NFL has a long tradition of splitting off games into their own categories: most games are played on Sunday in the afternoon and are carried on the “big 4” networks in the US, then there are 1 or 2 games each on Sunday Night, Monday, and Thursday. To be clear: these are all regular season games, just at different timings. The rights to each “day” of games then get sold off separately. So right now Thursday games are on Prime, Monday games are on ESPN+, and Sunday Night games are on Peacock. Generally the steaming services want to use the games as an onboarding tool, so they are not available anywhere else and you have to subscribe to their whole streaming service, not just the games. There is a service called “NFL Sunday Ticket” but it only lets you watch the games that aren’t available to you in some other way (so if it’s on Prime it’s not on NFL Sunday Ticket for anyone and if it’s on old-school antenna broadcast it’s not on NFL Sunday Ticket if the broadcast is too close to you). To watch all of the NFL games you’ll need: - Prime - ESPN+ - Peacock - Cable/Antenna/Fubo/YouTube TV (for home-team Sunday games) - NFL Sunday Ticket (for other Sunday games) (Or you can just pirate them, which is cheap and easy.)
- bookofjoe 2y ago
  Sunday night games are also on NBC.
- awad 2y ago
  FWIW Monday night games are available on standard ESPN and, sometimes, ABC and Sunday night games are on NBC. So you don't strictly speaking need Peacock or ESPN+

dylan604 2y ago

International sports are similar. The EPL is spread across Peacock, NBC, USA/Telemundo. There are days I have to resort to watching a Spanish broadcast of a match because whatever strained logic NBC has used on what games to make available where. Assuming this is in an attempt to drive viewers to dying cable channels??? It's extremely frustrating

diggan 2y ago
> International sports are similar I'm not so sure. I can easily get access to all La Liga matches for waay less than ~$2,500, and the same goes for most non-American sports I care to watch sometimes. I was even surprised how easy it was to get HBO Max to watch every single Olympic event this year, think it cost 15-20 EUR in total or something. For reference, this is for a Spanish resident, so YMMV.
- dylan604 2y ago
  I said similar in that it is split across multiple places. You need a sub to Peacock. You need a cable sub to get USA. You need an antenna or cable to get NBC. While these don't approach the same $2500, there is no single place to go to watch the matches.
aegypti 2y ago
I think it’s just the sheer size and appetite of top dogs like the premier league. La Liga and Bundesliga are both on ESPN+ in a single sub, all Serie A and Champions League matches are on Paramount+, all MLS matches are on Apple+, etc.
brewdad 2y ago
Please more leagues just give me a reasonably priced service to get all the games. In the US, the full F1 season is $90. The full MLB season can be had for about $100 if you buy it on sale. I got last season for $40 by waiting until June. I don't generally follow such a long season until about then anyway. College football is about all I'm missing. That still requires a cable/streaming sub. I can wait until March and do a one month sub to get my college basketball fix. I pay for Peacock every July for Le Tour. NBA is dead to me. NHL is fine but not worth paying for. Not a big NFL fan and I'd buy MLS if it were unbundled from AppleTV+. I'm not paying for both. Just one man's opinion.

holden_nelson 2y ago

This stat is disingenuous. 1. $2500 is one year of cable + streaming services required to watch every football game. If you don’t have cable it’s $1700. 2. $1700 is the cost to maintain all of those services year round; the regular season + playoffs is 5 months long It’s probably more like $800, which is still a lot, especially when they’re already monetizing the product by shoving ads down our throats every 30 seconds (though it’s a different “they”)

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rascul 2y ago

NFL puts some of the full games on Youtube a day or two later.