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Animals will probably evolve to speak well before AI figures out what animals are saying.

xandrius 2y ago
Given the evolution of AI vs the evolution of animal language, the probability is actually heavily leaning towards the opposite.
- consp 2y ago
  I would really like a _very_ detailed explanation of how AI is evolving instead of just having more computation power and shortcuts applied.
  - spacebanana7 2y ago
    Why is much detail required for the pace of change comparison? Animal language doesn’t change much. Dogs sound pretty much the same as they did 10 years ago. But AI generated sounds have changed rapidly in the past couple of years. In terms of music generation, sound to sound translation, and audio to text transcription.
    - Sparkyte 2y ago
      Actually I believe this is false. If dogs are not socialized with other dogs there is a distinct lack of language, body language varies incredibly on a per dog basis. You can say most are adopting human like mannerisms to communicate with us better. Smart glasses might be able to leverage the process of LLMS to decipher a gesture or two of dog like behavior, but it also has to learn it from the that dog's own unique vocabulary. It is different if a group of animals is socialized between themselves for a long duration and time. Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation You do not genetically pass down language. It has to be learned or made up.
victorbjorklund 2y ago
Why would animals ever have an evolutionary need to learn to speak english?
- noman-land 2y ago
  So we can sell them things, obviously.
- Sparkyte 2y ago
  Sometimes to convey needs better. Some species of dogs vocalize almost human like sounds. However there has to be selective pressures to encourage DNA change that produces a dog that can talk. Without breeding happening to produce those selective features it will not happen. This probably won't happen for 200K+ years. However we've been training dogs to press buttons to express their needs and this is likely to come well before AI manages to establish LLMs around dog mannerisms.

Given the evolution of AI vs the evolution of animal language, the probability is actually heavily leaning towards the opposite.

consp 2y ago
I would really like a _very_ detailed explanation of how AI is evolving instead of just having more computation power and shortcuts applied.
- spacebanana7 2y ago
  Why is much detail required for the pace of change comparison? Animal language doesn’t change much. Dogs sound pretty much the same as they did 10 years ago. But AI generated sounds have changed rapidly in the past couple of years. In terms of music generation, sound to sound translation, and audio to text transcription.
  - Sparkyte 2y ago
    Actually I believe this is false. If dogs are not socialized with other dogs there is a distinct lack of language, body language varies incredibly on a per dog basis. You can say most are adopting human like mannerisms to communicate with us better. Smart glasses might be able to leverage the process of LLMS to decipher a gesture or two of dog like behavior, but it also has to learn it from the that dog's own unique vocabulary. It is different if a group of animals is socialized between themselves for a long duration and time. Why? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_deprivation You do not genetically pass down language. It has to be learned or made up.

victorbjorklund 2y ago

Why would animals ever have an evolutionary need to learn to speak english?

noman-land 2y ago
So we can sell them things, obviously.
Sparkyte 2y ago
Sometimes to convey needs better. Some species of dogs vocalize almost human like sounds. However there has to be selective pressures to encourage DNA change that produces a dog that can talk. Without breeding happening to produce those selective features it will not happen. This probably won't happen for 200K+ years. However we've been training dogs to press buttons to express their needs and this is likely to come well before AI manages to establish LLMs around dog mannerisms.