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And I'm supposed to believe that HN is this amazing platform for technology and science discussions, totally unlike its peers...

zamadatix 2y ago
The above take is worded a bit cynical but is their general approach to GPUs lately across the board e.g. https://www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from-the-enthusiast-gpu-segment-to-focus-on-gaining-market-share https://www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from... Also I'd take HN as being being an amazing platform for the overall consistency and quality of moderation. Anything beyond that depends more on who you're talking to than where at.
petesergeant 2y ago
Maybe be the change you want to see and tell us what the real story is?
- perching_aix 2y ago
  We seem to disagree on what the change in the world I'd like to see is like, which is a real shocker I'm sure. Personally, I think that's when somebody who has no real information to contribute doesn't try to pretend that they do. So thanks for the offer, but I think I'm already delivering on that realm.
  - shadowgovt 2y ago
    Oh, there's basically no chance of getting that on the Internet. The Internet is a machine that highly simplifies the otherwise complex technical challenge of wide-casting ignorance. It wide-casts wisdom too, but it's an exercise for the reader to distinguish them.
llm_trw 2y ago
I don't really care what you believe. Everyone whose dug deep into what AMD is doing has left in disgust if they are lucky and bankruptcy if they are not. If I can save someone else from wasting $100,000 on hardware and six months of their life then my post has done more good than the AMD marketing department ever will.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  > If I can save someone else from wasting $100,000 on hardware and six months of their life then my post has done more good than the AMD marketing department ever will. This seems like unuseful advice if you've already given up on them. You tried it and at some point in the past it wasn't ready. But by not being ready they're losing money, so they have a direct incentive to fix it. Which would take a certain amount of time, but once you've given up you no longer know if they've done it yet or not, at which point your advice would be stale. Meanwhile the people who attempt it apparently seem to get acquired by Nvidia, for some strange reason. Which implies it should be a worthwhile thing to do. If they've fixed it by now which you wouldn't know if you've stopped looking, or they fix it in the near future, you have a competitive advantage because you have access to lower cost GPUs than your rivals. If not, but you've demonstrated a serious attempt to fix it for everyone yourself, Nvidia comes to you with a sack full of money to make sure you don't finish, and then you get a sack full of money. That's win/win, so rather than nobody doing it, it seems like everybody should be doing it.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    I've tried it three times. I've seen people try it every six months for two decades now. At some point you just have to accept that AMD is not a serious company, but is a second rate copycat and there is no way to change that without firing everyone from middle management up. I'm deeply worried about stagnation in the CPU space now that they are top dog and Intel is dead in the water. Here's hoping China and Risk V save us. >Meanwhile the people who attempt it apparently seem to get acquired by Nvidia Everyone I've seen base jumping has gotten a sponsorship from redbull, ergo. everyone should basejump. Ignore the red smears around the parking lot.
    - Const-me 2y ago
      > I've tried it three times Have you tried compute shaders instead of that weird HPC-only stuff? Compute shaders are widely used by millions of gamers every day. GPU vendors have huge incentive to make them reliable and efficient: modern game engines are using them for lots of thing, e.g. UE5 can even render triangle meshes with GPU compute instead of graphics (the tech is called nanite virtualized geometry). In practice they work fine on all GPUs, ML included: https://github.com/Const-me/Cgml https://github.com/Const-me/Cgml

zamadatix 2y ago

The above take is worded a bit cynical but is their general approach to GPUs lately across the board e.g. https://www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from-the-enthusiast-gpu-segment-to-focus-on-gaining-market-share https://www.techpowerup.com/326415/amd-confirms-retreat-from... Also I'd take HN as being being an amazing platform for the overall consistency and quality of moderation. Anything beyond that depends more on who you're talking to than where at.

petesergeant 2y ago

Maybe be the change you want to see and tell us what the real story is?

perching_aix 2y ago
We seem to disagree on what the change in the world I'd like to see is like, which is a real shocker I'm sure. Personally, I think that's when somebody who has no real information to contribute doesn't try to pretend that they do. So thanks for the offer, but I think I'm already delivering on that realm.
- shadowgovt 2y ago
  Oh, there's basically no chance of getting that on the Internet. The Internet is a machine that highly simplifies the otherwise complex technical challenge of wide-casting ignorance. It wide-casts wisdom too, but it's an exercise for the reader to distinguish them.

llm_trw 2y ago

I don't really care what you believe. Everyone whose dug deep into what AMD is doing has left in disgust if they are lucky and bankruptcy if they are not. If I can save someone else from wasting $100,000 on hardware and six months of their life then my post has done more good than the AMD marketing department ever will.

AnthonyMouse 2y ago
> If I can save someone else from wasting $100,000 on hardware and six months of their life then my post has done more good than the AMD marketing department ever will. This seems like unuseful advice if you've already given up on them. You tried it and at some point in the past it wasn't ready. But by not being ready they're losing money, so they have a direct incentive to fix it. Which would take a certain amount of time, but once you've given up you no longer know if they've done it yet or not, at which point your advice would be stale. Meanwhile the people who attempt it apparently seem to get acquired by Nvidia, for some strange reason. Which implies it should be a worthwhile thing to do. If they've fixed it by now which you wouldn't know if you've stopped looking, or they fix it in the near future, you have a competitive advantage because you have access to lower cost GPUs than your rivals. If not, but you've demonstrated a serious attempt to fix it for everyone yourself, Nvidia comes to you with a sack full of money to make sure you don't finish, and then you get a sack full of money. That's win/win, so rather than nobody doing it, it seems like everybody should be doing it.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  I've tried it three times. I've seen people try it every six months for two decades now. At some point you just have to accept that AMD is not a serious company, but is a second rate copycat and there is no way to change that without firing everyone from middle management up. I'm deeply worried about stagnation in the CPU space now that they are top dog and Intel is dead in the water. Here's hoping China and Risk V save us. >Meanwhile the people who attempt it apparently seem to get acquired by Nvidia Everyone I've seen base jumping has gotten a sponsorship from redbull, ergo. everyone should basejump. Ignore the red smears around the parking lot.
  - Const-me 2y ago
    > I've tried it three times Have you tried compute shaders instead of that weird HPC-only stuff? Compute shaders are widely used by millions of gamers every day. GPU vendors have huge incentive to make them reliable and efficient: modern game engines are using them for lots of thing, e.g. UE5 can even render triangle meshes with GPU compute instead of graphics (the tech is called nanite virtualized geometry). In practice they work fine on all GPUs, ML included: https://github.com/Const-me/Cgml https://github.com/Const-me/Cgml