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The discs had -in the movie- the memories of another person, and you would experience that memory and sensations as if you were living it. So, e.g. someone woul

The discs had -in the movie- the memories of another person, and you would experience that memory and sensations as if you were living it. So, e.g. someone would record themselves doing something risky and you would get the adrenaline rush from watching it. So... Maybe in some way one could argue that social media gives some sort of connection were you get some feelings from what others are doing/showing. I mean, technologically it's quite a leap, but in a conceptual way... it's still a bit of a leap but maybe not that big.

twiceaday 2y ago
Sounds like Brain Dances (BDs) from Cyberpunk 2077.
- nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
  Yes, which originally came from Cyberpunk, the first sourcebook for which was released in 1988, with Cyberpunk 2020 releasing in 1990 complete with the idea for pre-recorded replayable memories/full sensory experience, ie:Braindance. Strange Days was released in 1995. Maximum Mike was, and is, a prophet right alongside Gibson. edit: Although almost certainly this wasn't the first place people imagined being able to record and playback memories.
  - saxonww 2y ago
    Made me think of Total Recall, which was adapted from "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale," looks like from 1966.
  - Fluorescence 2y ago
    Wiki tells me there was a Cyberpunk 2013 released in 1988. Feels like a millennial cult that keeps missing it's big day... Cyberpunk 2013 - join us! Jack in choom Cyberpunk 2020 - oops sorry, had to reschedule Cyberpunk 2077 - crazy story, anyway we've got a new date Cyberpunk ???? - this time, we promise!
- ahartmetz 2y ago
  Simstim from Neuromancer (released in 1984) is the first mention of such a thing that I know of.
  - atombender 2y ago
    Brainstorm (1983) did it before Neuromancer. The movie is about a device that records and replays sensory and emotional experiences, and a central plot point is that it records the dying moments of a character.
    - bregma 2y ago
      I thought the central point was the porn played on a loop. Maybe I was distracted and missed the real plot. Also maybe mixed up by the fact that one of the principle actors died in real life while the movie was being made.
      - Fluorescence 2y ago
        The central point was like Lawnmower Man, the military / government were going to misuse the tech for evil purposes. The porn and the vicarious near-death-experience were just plot points.
        atombender 2y ago
        The military stuff is a McGuffin-type subplot. The real plot is the main character's obsession with seeing Lillian's vision of the afterlife. The author of the screenplay, Bruce Joel Rubin, is a self-described spiritual teacher, and "transitional journeys" is kind of his thing. His three most well-known films (Brainstorm, Ghost, and Jacob's Ladder) are all about characters experiencing the afterlife in some way.
      - atombender 2y ago
        The porn thing showed that the device could be harmful to the viewer. This adds another dimension of risk to the later scenes where the Walker character is experiencing the death tape. The actor was Natalie Wood, and the event is shrouded in mystery about how she died. However, the character who dies in the movie is played by Louise Fletcher.
wahern 2y ago
> Maybe in some way one could argue that social media gives some sort of connection were you get some feelings from what others are doing/showing. I mean, technologically it's quite a leap That technology exists; it's called empathy, and the extremely powerful form of it innate to humans is arguably our singularly defining characteristic. It's our tech moat, so to speak.
Mistletoe 2y ago
This is exactly the parasocial way my girlfriend's niece and friends experience life. No relationships of their own, it is all celebrities and their lives, ingested on their phones. I don't have the heart to tell them that 95% of it is stuff created by PR firms.
- lazystar 2y ago
  playing devils advocate for a minute... isnt that similar to what our parents said in the 80's/90's about our generation? all that "tv and phone" brain rot
  - tirant 2y ago
    And they were right. But we would watch TV usually together and only for around 4-5 hours a day. Do you know how much screen time are people having ? 8 to 10 hours are not uncommon. And alone.
  - maccard 2y ago
    Yes. And what the previous generation said about rock music. Celebrities and “socialites” have been idolised for years - Paris Hilton certainly isn’t the doing of this generation, neither is Jackie Kennedy. If you think that what we’re doing with mobile apps and social media is new, take a look at the 20th century a little harder.
    - addicted 2y ago
      1. People were clearly wrong about music. Audio only is clearly not as addictive as video + audio. 2. People did say that about TV and TV maybe had the potential to be like this. However, TV failed in many ways to be a hyper addictive device. Some of the many reasons: i. Just less content. There wasn’t that much TV content at all. YT probably adds more content in an hour than all the TV content ever created. ii. You couldn’t choose what you wanted to watch beyond a few dozen channels at best. So you always had opportunities where you were forced to do something different at many times. iii. The TV wasn’t available to you at all times. You had to go to the den to watch it and you couldn’t take it to school with you. iv. TV couldn’t specifically target you individually with content to keep you watching. The most amount of targeting TV could do was at maybe a county level. v. You couldn’t be part of the TV. Social media and phones today make you an integral part of the “show” where a kid can end up having a video of them popping their pants on a playground shown to millions of people. Even in a more ordinary sense, a kid commenting on a video or sending a message to a friend makes them part of the device in a way TV never could outside of extraordinary situations.
sandworm101 2y ago
>> some sort of connection were you get some feelings from what others are doing/showing. I mean, technologically it's quite a leap, but in a conceptual way... it's still a bit of a leap but maybe not that big. Play that VR game set within in the shark cage. The adrenaline rush is definitely not much of a leap from the real thing.

twiceaday 2y ago

Sounds like Brain Dances (BDs) from Cyberpunk 2077.

nyc_data_geek1 2y ago
Yes, which originally came from Cyberpunk, the first sourcebook for which was released in 1988, with Cyberpunk 2020 releasing in 1990 complete with the idea for pre-recorded replayable memories/full sensory experience, ie:Braindance. Strange Days was released in 1995. Maximum Mike was, and is, a prophet right alongside Gibson. edit: Although almost certainly this wasn't the first place people imagined being able to record and playback memories.
- saxonww 2y ago
  Made me think of Total Recall, which was adapted from "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale," looks like from 1966.
- Fluorescence 2y ago
  Wiki tells me there was a Cyberpunk 2013 released in 1988. Feels like a millennial cult that keeps missing it's big day... Cyberpunk 2013 - join us! Jack in choom Cyberpunk 2020 - oops sorry, had to reschedule Cyberpunk 2077 - crazy story, anyway we've got a new date Cyberpunk ???? - this time, we promise!
ahartmetz 2y ago
Simstim from Neuromancer (released in 1984) is the first mention of such a thing that I know of.
- atombender 2y ago
  Brainstorm (1983) did it before Neuromancer. The movie is about a device that records and replays sensory and emotional experiences, and a central plot point is that it records the dying moments of a character.
  - bregma 2y ago
    I thought the central point was the porn played on a loop. Maybe I was distracted and missed the real plot. Also maybe mixed up by the fact that one of the principle actors died in real life while the movie was being made.
    - Fluorescence 2y ago
      The central point was like Lawnmower Man, the military / government were going to misuse the tech for evil purposes. The porn and the vicarious near-death-experience were just plot points.
      - atombender 2y ago
        The military stuff is a McGuffin-type subplot. The real plot is the main character's obsession with seeing Lillian's vision of the afterlife. The author of the screenplay, Bruce Joel Rubin, is a self-described spiritual teacher, and "transitional journeys" is kind of his thing. His three most well-known films (Brainstorm, Ghost, and Jacob's Ladder) are all about characters experiencing the afterlife in some way.
    - atombender 2y ago
      The porn thing showed that the device could be harmful to the viewer. This adds another dimension of risk to the later scenes where the Walker character is experiencing the death tape. The actor was Natalie Wood, and the event is shrouded in mystery about how she died. However, the character who dies in the movie is played by Louise Fletcher.

wahern 2y ago

> Maybe in some way one could argue that social media gives some sort of connection were you get some feelings from what others are doing/showing. I mean, technologically it's quite a leap That technology exists; it's called empathy, and the extremely powerful form of it innate to humans is arguably our singularly defining characteristic. It's our tech moat, so to speak.

Mistletoe 2y ago

This is exactly the parasocial way my girlfriend's niece and friends experience life. No relationships of their own, it is all celebrities and their lives, ingested on their phones. I don't have the heart to tell them that 95% of it is stuff created by PR firms.

lazystar 2y ago
playing devils advocate for a minute... isnt that similar to what our parents said in the 80's/90's about our generation? all that "tv and phone" brain rot
- tirant 2y ago
  And they were right. But we would watch TV usually together and only for around 4-5 hours a day. Do you know how much screen time are people having ? 8 to 10 hours are not uncommon. And alone.
- maccard 2y ago
  Yes. And what the previous generation said about rock music. Celebrities and “socialites” have been idolised for years - Paris Hilton certainly isn’t the doing of this generation, neither is Jackie Kennedy. If you think that what we’re doing with mobile apps and social media is new, take a look at the 20th century a little harder.
  - addicted 2y ago
    1. People were clearly wrong about music. Audio only is clearly not as addictive as video + audio. 2. People did say that about TV and TV maybe had the potential to be like this. However, TV failed in many ways to be a hyper addictive device. Some of the many reasons: i. Just less content. There wasn’t that much TV content at all. YT probably adds more content in an hour than all the TV content ever created. ii. You couldn’t choose what you wanted to watch beyond a few dozen channels at best. So you always had opportunities where you were forced to do something different at many times. iii. The TV wasn’t available to you at all times. You had to go to the den to watch it and you couldn’t take it to school with you. iv. TV couldn’t specifically target you individually with content to keep you watching. The most amount of targeting TV could do was at maybe a county level. v. You couldn’t be part of the TV. Social media and phones today make you an integral part of the “show” where a kid can end up having a video of them popping their pants on a playground shown to millions of people. Even in a more ordinary sense, a kid commenting on a video or sending a message to a friend makes them part of the device in a way TV never could outside of extraordinary situations.

sandworm101 2y ago

>> some sort of connection were you get some feelings from what others are doing/showing. I mean, technologically it's quite a leap, but in a conceptual way... it's still a bit of a leap but maybe not that big. Play that VR game set within in the shark cage. The adrenaline rush is definitely not much of a leap from the real thing.