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Still it's comparing average human level performance with best AI performance. Examples of things o3 failed at are insanely easy for humans.

FrustratedMonky 2y ago
There are things Chimps do easily that humans fail at, and vice/versa of course. There are blind spots, doesn't take away from 'general'.
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- noobermin 2y ago
  The downvotes should tell you, this is a decided "hype" result. Don't poo poo it, that's not allowed on AI slop posts on HN.
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    Yeah, I didn't realize Chimp studies, or neuroscience were out of vogue. Even in tech, people form strong 'beliefs' around what they think is happening.
- Matumio 2y ago
  We can't agree whether Portia spiders are intelligent or just have very advanced instincts. How will we ever agree about what human intelligence is, or how to separate it from cultural knowledge? If that even makes sense.
  - FrustratedMonky 2y ago
    I guess my point is more, if we can't decide about Portia Spiders or Chimps, then how can we be so certain about AI. So offering up Portia and Chimps as counter examples.
cchance 2y ago
You'd be surprised what the AVERAGE human fails to do that you think is easy, my mom can't fucking send an email without downloading a virus, i have a coworker that believes beyond a shadow of a doubt the world is flat. The Average human is a lot dumber than people on hackernews and reddit seem to realize, shit the people on mturk are likely smarter than the AVERAGE person
- staticman2 2y ago
  Yet the average human can drive a car a lot better than ChatGPT can, which shows that the way you frame "intelligence" dictates your conclusion about who is "intelligent".
  - p1esk 2y ago
    Pretty sure a waymo car drives better than an average SF driver.
    - manquer 2y ago
      Waymo cannot handle poor weather at all, average human can. Being able to perform better than humans in specific constrained problem space is how every automation system has been developed. While self driving systems are impressive, they don’t drive with anywhere close to skills of the average driver
      - tim333 2y ago
        Waymo blog with video of them driving in poor weather https://waymo.com/blog/2019/08/waymo-and-weather https://waymo.com/blog/2019/08/waymo-and-weather
        manquer 2y ago
        And nikola famously made a video of a truck using one which had no engine, we don’t take a company word for anything until we can verify. This is not offered to public, they are actively expanding in only cities like LA , Miami or Phoenix now where weather is good through the year. The tech for bad weather is nowhere close to ready for public. Average human on other hand is driving in bad weather every day

FrustratedMonky 2y ago

There are things Chimps do easily that humans fail at, and vice/versa of course. There are blind spots, doesn't take away from 'general'.

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noobermin 2y ago
The downvotes should tell you, this is a decided "hype" result. Don't poo poo it, that's not allowed on AI slop posts on HN.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  Yeah, I didn't realize Chimp studies, or neuroscience were out of vogue. Even in tech, people form strong 'beliefs' around what they think is happening.
Matumio 2y ago
We can't agree whether Portia spiders are intelligent or just have very advanced instincts. How will we ever agree about what human intelligence is, or how to separate it from cultural knowledge? If that even makes sense.
- FrustratedMonky 2y ago
  I guess my point is more, if we can't decide about Portia Spiders or Chimps, then how can we be so certain about AI. So offering up Portia and Chimps as counter examples.

cchance 2y ago

You'd be surprised what the AVERAGE human fails to do that you think is easy, my mom can't fucking send an email without downloading a virus, i have a coworker that believes beyond a shadow of a doubt the world is flat. The Average human is a lot dumber than people on hackernews and reddit seem to realize, shit the people on mturk are likely smarter than the AVERAGE person

staticman2 2y ago
Yet the average human can drive a car a lot better than ChatGPT can, which shows that the way you frame "intelligence" dictates your conclusion about who is "intelligent".
- p1esk 2y ago
  Pretty sure a waymo car drives better than an average SF driver.
  - manquer 2y ago
    Waymo cannot handle poor weather at all, average human can. Being able to perform better than humans in specific constrained problem space is how every automation system has been developed. While self driving systems are impressive, they don’t drive with anywhere close to skills of the average driver
    - tim333 2y ago
      Waymo blog with video of them driving in poor weather https://waymo.com/blog/2019/08/waymo-and-weather https://waymo.com/blog/2019/08/waymo-and-weather
      - manquer 2y ago
        And nikola famously made a video of a truck using one which had no engine, we don’t take a company word for anything until we can verify. This is not offered to public, they are actively expanding in only cities like LA , Miami or Phoenix now where weather is good through the year. The tech for bad weather is nowhere close to ready for public. Average human on other hand is driving in bad weather every day