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If they put criminals in jail they wouldn't have to have a surveillance state like this.
by PKop 2y ago
If they put criminals in jail they wouldn't have to have a surveillance state like this.
- daelon 2y agoHow does that follow?
- PKop 2y agoYou can't steal from retail stores when you're in prison.
- daelon 2y agoWhat makes you think that's related to the surveillance state in any way?
- unethical_ban 2y agoThe person you're responding to has a history of not responding thoroughly and specifically to the claims made by others in a conversation. Alternatively, they're often flat-out wrong.
- PKop 2y agoNot true, I just disagree with you. The events in Germany are just the most recent example of my position (and that of the winning candidate and voters in the most recent US election) on opposing immigration and supporting remigration and deportation being the correct and moral position, as opposed to the left wing position of mass immigration and open borders in western countries being immoral.
- lovich 2y agoHe doesn’t like these people and would like to subject them incarceration and slavery
- pjc50 2y agoThe US is one of the top jailers of the world. I suspect that's actually due to an extremely bad false positive rate on the police and court system; jailing a lot of non-violent people for petty incidents and failing to address more serious crimes if they're even slightly hard to investigate.
- jeffwask 2y agoWell, that hasn't worked thus far... The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated, with more than 2 million prisoners nationwide (per data released in October 2021 by World Prison Brief). This number is equivalent to roughly 25% of the world's total prison population and leads to an incarceration rate of 629 people per 100,000—the highest rate in the world. ...maybe it's time to try a different approach like maybe slowing the transfer of wealth to plutocrats and back to the lower and middle classes.
- PittleyDunkin 2y ago> The United States leads the world in total number of people incarcerated El Salvador passed us a couple years ago, but yea your post is right on the nose. EDIT: only in per-capita.
- PKop 2y agoAnd their murder rate collapsed. Their policy was great.
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoCrazy how most countries manage a lower crime rate without behaving like savages. Not us, though! The entire point seems to be the cruelty.
- PKop 2y agoPerhaps the component parts are different?
- orwin 2y agoI'm not sure most of the murder rate collapse had to do with incarceration. It's probably true for a small part, but from what I've heard the anti-corruption raids against the police and the end of gang wars are had more impact. Note that those are driven by the policies of the current government, I'm not saying that the Salvadoran government is bad _at all_, I'm saying that the 'imprison everything' part of the set of policies is probably the less effective one. Also Salvador uses (and probably reinforce) non-salvadoran cartels to help destroy their local gangs, and I'm not sure that this works if every country does the same.
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoI am continually surprised how a forum that sees itself as super intelligent and critical also hosts people who appear to lack basic media literacy